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― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 11:00 (ten years ago) link
Not even that polished, the way the drums rudely burst in at the beginning and the end of Forever.
FWIW I really hate the post-Soft Bulletin trend of foregrounding drums like that.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:52 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
back when they only had an EP or so out, i always got 'forever' and 'don't save me' confused because they intro'd both songs with foregrounded drums
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 11:50 (ten years ago) link
When people compare bands to Fleetwood Mac, nine out of ten times they mean Fleetwood Mac's drum sounds.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 13:52 (ten years ago) link
You think that's the case here?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 13:53 (ten years ago) link
Well, I think people are certainly thinking of the production quality of Tango in the Night - which is very arranged and percussion heavy - more than the songwriting.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 14:11 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYrDfpirDCQ
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link
Nope, no percussion in that one!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link
what? It's all over the place!
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:08 (ten years ago) link
That was a very dry joke. Dry as the drum sound.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link
I don't know what I expected this album to be but it's very pleasant
― smang culture (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:33 (ten years ago) link
"Honey & I" feels like it's about 500 years long, though
― smang culture (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
This album isn't great bc it sounds like Tango in the night or whatever (which I haven't heard, along with a lot of the other reference points people are dropping -- I couldn't name you a Wison Phillips song, Shania? I know "Man I Feel Like a Woman") although it's a nice sound, it's great because its by leagues the catchiest set of songs I've heard this year. I think I said earlier I've barely gone hours since I first heard it without one of these songs (and every single one of them at some point) popping into my head.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, the complaints of filler I've read are dumbfounding. Every track on this album is tight as fuck.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link
yeah this album has hooks for days
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
I love Tango in the Night but it's patchier than this.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
They're both patchy.
btw I don't think this particularly sounds like Tango. I posted "Caroline" because I thought it must be what people had in mind when comparing the two albums.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
I'm pretty sure the Shania comparisons come solely from The Wire.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
I don't agree with this album being patchy at all.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
Really the only thing stopping this from being a lock for my AOTY is that Chance writes brilliant lyrics and they don't.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
I'm eh on "Falling" and one of the ballads at the end. It's still one of the year's best.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
"Let Me Go" rules pretty hard
― smang culture (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
I didn't really get "Falling" til I heard it on the album but now I always want to listen to it. And then I listen to the rest of the album.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:23 (ten years ago) link
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah it's more like "Love In Store" and "Hold Me" with 1987 production.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:32 (ten years ago) link
"Love in Store" or "Family Man" given the Balearic treatment
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link
idk i think "everywhere" kinda prevails as an analog
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
For some reason, Forever keeps reminding me of Time After Time. Same chord progression?
― i'll be your mraz (NickB), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
Ha Alfred's dn makes me think of "the objections to Haim from REAL INDIE people"
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link
dn?
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
Display name
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
haha
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
some of the drum sounds on this remind me of Invisible Touch era Genesis
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
That's otm
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
kind of a dumb generalization though I guess since most '80 records tried to have phil collins sounding drums haha
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
so basically "80s drums"
"Tony Banks drums"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW68T84RLHw
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
lol
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
I didn't even know I was nostalgic for something like this but it's taking me back to being a 9 year old listening to the Jets.
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
I watched that Genesis video, and most of the time Phil isn't even playing the drums. He's not even singing into a real microphone! What a scam. I bet they never imagine that video would be around 25 years later and that people would be checking. Shame on you, Genesis. Shame. On. You.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
It's a gormless video
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
what do you call that kind of '80s beat anyway (on the Haim record, not Genesis)? is it a Jam & Lewis thing?
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQYgrm6Vv0
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link
"eighties drums" means many things: programmed Linn drums, gated drums, etc
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
while we're talking about drums, 'the wire' opening drums = rock and roll pt. 2 drums
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link
yeah totally
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
It's not "Heartache Tonight"?
― hopping and bopping to the krokodil rot (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I was talking more about that jam & lewis kind of beat like on Falling, Forever, Change Your Mind, and Days Are Gone.
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
or I guess it's also similar to latin freestyle? Let the Music Play
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
lol sorry, next time I'll read the thread first
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:12 AM Bookmark
It's that big 12/8 beat (see also: "The Beautiful People", "Atlas", "Black Skinhead")
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Something else that Forever reminds me of - there's a synth bit just before the chorus that I swear is straight out of Bizarre Love Triangle. The guitar break is kinda Barney too.
― i'll be your mraz (NickB), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link