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Scott Creney lives in Athens, Georgia. He is the author of Dear Al-Qaeda: Letters to the World’s Most Notorious Terror Organization and countless others

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 11:00 (ten years ago) link

Not even that polished, the way the drums rudely burst in at the beginning and the end of Forever.

FWIW I really hate the post-Soft Bulletin trend of foregrounding drums like that.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, October 2, 2013 5:52 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

back when they only had an EP or so out, i always got 'forever' and 'don't save me' confused because they intro'd both songs with foregrounded drums

乒乓, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 11:50 (ten years ago) link

When people compare bands to Fleetwood Mac, nine out of ten times they mean Fleetwood Mac's drum sounds.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 13:52 (ten years ago) link

You think that's the case here?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 13:53 (ten years ago) link

Well, I think people are certainly thinking of the production quality of Tango in the Night - which is very arranged and percussion heavy - more than the songwriting.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 14:11 (ten years ago) link

Nope, no percussion in that one!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link

what? It's all over the place!

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:08 (ten years ago) link

That was a very dry joke. Dry as the drum sound.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link

I don't know what I expected this album to be but it's very pleasant

smang culture (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:33 (ten years ago) link

"Honey & I" feels like it's about 500 years long, though

smang culture (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link

This album isn't great bc it sounds like Tango in the night or whatever (which I haven't heard, along with a lot of the other reference points people are dropping -- I couldn't name you a Wison Phillips song, Shania? I know "Man I Feel Like a Woman") although it's a nice sound, it's great because its by leagues the catchiest set of songs I've heard this year. I think I said earlier I've barely gone hours since I first heard it without one of these songs (and every single one of them at some point) popping into my head.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, the complaints of filler I've read are dumbfounding. Every track on this album is tight as fuck.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link

yeah this album has hooks for days

乒乓, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link

I love Tango in the Night but it's patchier than this.

Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link

They're both patchy.

btw I don't think this particularly sounds like Tango. I posted "Caroline" because I thought it must be what people had in mind when comparing the two albums.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link

I'm pretty sure the Shania comparisons come solely from The Wire.

MarkoP, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link

I don't agree with this album being patchy at all.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link

Really the only thing stopping this from being a lock for my AOTY is that Chance writes brilliant lyrics and they don't.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link

I'm eh on "Falling" and one of the ballads at the end. It's still one of the year's best.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link

"Let Me Go" rules pretty hard

smang culture (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link

I didn't really get "Falling" til I heard it on the album but now I always want to listen to it. And then I listen to the rest of the album.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:23 (ten years ago) link

btw I don't think this particularly sounds like Tango. I posted "Caroline" because I thought it must be what people had in mind when comparing the two albums.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah it's more like "Love In Store" and "Hold Me" with 1987 production.

Tim F, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:32 (ten years ago) link

"Love in Store" or "Family Man" given the Balearic treatment

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link

idk i think "everywhere" kinda prevails as an analog

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link

For some reason, Forever keeps reminding me of Time After Time. Same chord progression?

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link

Ha Alfred's dn makes me think of "the objections to Haim from REAL INDIE people"

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link

dn?

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link

Display name

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link

haha

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link

some of the drum sounds on this remind me of Invisible Touch era Genesis

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link

That's otm

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link

kind of a dumb generalization though I guess since most '80 records tried to have phil collins sounding drums haha

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link

so basically "80s drums"

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link

lol

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link

I didn't even know I was nostalgic for something like this but it's taking me back to being a 9 year old listening to the Jets.

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link

I watched that Genesis video, and most of the time Phil isn't even playing the drums. He's not even singing into a real microphone! What a scam. I bet they never imagine that video would be around 25 years later and that people would be checking. Shame on you, Genesis. Shame. On. You.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link

It's a gormless video

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link

what do you call that kind of '80s beat anyway (on the Haim record, not Genesis)? is it a Jam & Lewis thing?

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQYgrm6Vv0

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link

"eighties drums" means many things: programmed Linn drums, gated drums, etc

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link

while we're talking about drums, 'the wire' opening drums = rock and roll pt. 2 drums

乒乓, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link

yeah totally

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

It's not "Heartache Tonight"?

hopping and bopping to the krokodil rot (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

yeah, I was talking more about that jam & lewis kind of beat like on Falling, Forever, Change Your Mind, and Days Are Gone.

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

or I guess it's also similar to latin freestyle? Let the Music Play

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link

lol sorry, next time I'll read the thread first

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link

while we're talking about drums, 'the wire' opening drums = rock and roll pt. 2 drums

― 乒乓, Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:12 AM Bookmark

It's that big 12/8 beat (see also: "The Beautiful People", "Atlas", "Black Skinhead")

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link

Something else that Forever reminds me of - there's a synth bit just before the chorus that I swear is straight out of Bizarre Love Triangle. The guitar break is kinda Barney too.

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link


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