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btw I don't think this particularly sounds like Tango. I posted "Caroline" because I thought it must be what people had in mind when comparing the two albums.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah it's more like "Love In Store" and "Hold Me" with 1987 production.

Tim F, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:32 (ten years ago) link

"Love in Store" or "Family Man" given the Balearic treatment

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link

idk i think "everywhere" kinda prevails as an analog

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link

For some reason, Forever keeps reminding me of Time After Time. Same chord progression?

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link

Ha Alfred's dn makes me think of "the objections to Haim from REAL INDIE people"

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link

dn?

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link

Display name

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link

haha

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link

some of the drum sounds on this remind me of Invisible Touch era Genesis

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link

That's otm

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link

kind of a dumb generalization though I guess since most '80 records tried to have phil collins sounding drums haha

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link

so basically "80s drums"

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link

lol

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link

I didn't even know I was nostalgic for something like this but it's taking me back to being a 9 year old listening to the Jets.

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link

I watched that Genesis video, and most of the time Phil isn't even playing the drums. He's not even singing into a real microphone! What a scam. I bet they never imagine that video would be around 25 years later and that people would be checking. Shame on you, Genesis. Shame. On. You.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link

It's a gormless video

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link

what do you call that kind of '80s beat anyway (on the Haim record, not Genesis)? is it a Jam & Lewis thing?

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQYgrm6Vv0

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link

"eighties drums" means many things: programmed Linn drums, gated drums, etc

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link

while we're talking about drums, 'the wire' opening drums = rock and roll pt. 2 drums

乒乓, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link

yeah totally

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

It's not "Heartache Tonight"?

hopping and bopping to the krokodil rot (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

yeah, I was talking more about that jam & lewis kind of beat like on Falling, Forever, Change Your Mind, and Days Are Gone.

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

or I guess it's also similar to latin freestyle? Let the Music Play

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link

lol sorry, next time I'll read the thread first

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link

while we're talking about drums, 'the wire' opening drums = rock and roll pt. 2 drums

― 乒乓, Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:12 AM Bookmark

It's that big 12/8 beat (see also: "The Beautiful People", "Atlas", "Black Skinhead")

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link

Something else that Forever reminds me of - there's a synth bit just before the chorus that I swear is straight out of Bizarre Love Triangle. The guitar break is kinda Barney too.

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link

I keep hoping these guys will get booked on snl this year, which is never a hope I've really had for a band before?

Clay, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link

you could do a pretty good mashup of Forever and Spring Love by Stevie B

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link

Stop.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:34 (ten years ago) link

You're going to send Alfred into convulsions.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:00 (ten years ago) link

*convulses in office as "I Wanna Be the One" blasts*

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link

haha oh yeah, you're in miami, right?

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:43 (ten years ago) link

iirc, "The Star Spangled Banner" is the national anthem outside of Dade County, where it's "Spring Love".

The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:48 (ten years ago) link

the freestyle comparisons sold me on this album a lot more than the Mac ones. my cd just arrived in the mail: no typo!

Euler, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link

top 40 radio in san jose was that kind of stuff when I was a kid. so I always just think of that sound as "80s music" and I heard this and thought "hey it's 1986"!

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link

I thought this thread said HAM

you are kind, I am (waterface), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link

it does

Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link

The freestyle comparisons are wrong but that's okay.

*convulses while making spaghetti sauce and dancing to Company B's "Fascinated"*

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link

some of the drum sounds on this have a freestyle sonic quality to them but they're not rhythmically freestyle at all

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link

Company B's "Fascinated"*

Miami deep cut.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:05 (ten years ago) link

idk i think some of the tempos and grooves are pretty reminiscent of freestyle (minus the latin percussion of course, just kick/snare patterns). or just uptempo '80s pop.

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link

plus a lot of the little off beat syncopated percussion and synth parts. but yeah, it's more like the later, more mainstream pop that was freestyle influenced. I don't think it really sounds like that fleetwood mac record though. they do sound like FM in a general way but not like they took that particular album as a template to ripoff like some people are suggesting.

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:20 (ten years ago) link

I think it's a mark of how singular the rhythmic approach is that everyone hears it and immediately thinks of a patch of years in the mid-late 80s, but then struggles to come up with a really close blueprint!

Which is not to say that Haim have done something new, but rather that in this regard the retro-mining is very precise.

Tim F, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:42 (ten years ago) link

Phil's "Don't Lose My Number"?

Tim F, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:42 (ten years ago) link

I get a Bangles vibe too (from the rhythms, though obv the vocals too to some extent) but when I go back and check none of the Bangles' tunes were riding quite the same vibe.

Tim F, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:43 (ten years ago) link

yeah, bangles def

wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:45 (ten years ago) link

they weren't quite rhythmically creative

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:45 (ten years ago) link

The resemblance is a stretch but when "Edge" is playing I keep singing the Georgian song from this year's Eurovision over it.

Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:48 (ten years ago) link


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