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― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
haha
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
some of the drum sounds on this remind me of Invisible Touch era Genesis
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
That's otm
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
kind of a dumb generalization though I guess since most '80 records tried to have phil collins sounding drums haha
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
so basically "80s drums"
"Tony Banks drums"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW68T84RLHw
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
lol
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 17:51 (ten years ago) link
I didn't even know I was nostalgic for something like this but it's taking me back to being a 9 year old listening to the Jets.
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
I watched that Genesis video, and most of the time Phil isn't even playing the drums. He's not even singing into a real microphone! What a scam. I bet they never imagine that video would be around 25 years later and that people would be checking. Shame on you, Genesis. Shame. On. You.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
It's a gormless video
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
what do you call that kind of '80s beat anyway (on the Haim record, not Genesis)? is it a Jam & Lewis thing?
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQYgrm6Vv0
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link
"eighties drums" means many things: programmed Linn drums, gated drums, etc
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
while we're talking about drums, 'the wire' opening drums = rock and roll pt. 2 drums
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link
yeah totally
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
It's not "Heartache Tonight"?
― hopping and bopping to the krokodil rot (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I was talking more about that jam & lewis kind of beat like on Falling, Forever, Change Your Mind, and Days Are Gone.
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
or I guess it's also similar to latin freestyle? Let the Music Play
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
lol sorry, next time I'll read the thread first
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:12 AM Bookmark
It's that big 12/8 beat (see also: "The Beautiful People", "Atlas", "Black Skinhead")
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Something else that Forever reminds me of - there's a synth bit just before the chorus that I swear is straight out of Bizarre Love Triangle. The guitar break is kinda Barney too.
― i'll be your mraz (NickB), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
I keep hoping these guys will get booked on snl this year, which is never a hope I've really had for a band before?
― Clay, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link
you could do a pretty good mashup of Forever and Spring Love by Stevie B
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link
Stop.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 19:34 (ten years ago) link
You're going to send Alfred into convulsions.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:00 (ten years ago) link
*convulses in office as "I Wanna Be the One" blasts*
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:28 (ten years ago) link
haha oh yeah, you're in miami, right?
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:43 (ten years ago) link
iirc, "The Star Spangled Banner" is the national anthem outside of Dade County, where it's "Spring Love".
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:48 (ten years ago) link
the freestyle comparisons sold me on this album a lot more than the Mac ones. my cd just arrived in the mail: no typo!
― Euler, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
top 40 radio in san jose was that kind of stuff when I was a kid. so I always just think of that sound as "80s music" and I heard this and thought "hey it's 1986"!
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
I thought this thread said HAM
― you are kind, I am (waterface), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 21:59 (ten years ago) link
it does
― Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link
The freestyle comparisons are wrong but that's okay.
*convulses while making spaghetti sauce and dancing to Company B's "Fascinated"*
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link
some of the drum sounds on this have a freestyle sonic quality to them but they're not rhythmically freestyle at all
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
Company B's "Fascinated"*
Miami deep cut.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:05 (ten years ago) link
idk i think some of the tempos and grooves are pretty reminiscent of freestyle (minus the latin percussion of course, just kick/snare patterns). or just uptempo '80s pop.
― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link
plus a lot of the little off beat syncopated percussion and synth parts. but yeah, it's more like the later, more mainstream pop that was freestyle influenced. I don't think it really sounds like that fleetwood mac record though. they do sound like FM in a general way but not like they took that particular album as a template to ripoff like some people are suggesting.
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:20 (ten years ago) link
I think it's a mark of how singular the rhythmic approach is that everyone hears it and immediately thinks of a patch of years in the mid-late 80s, but then struggles to come up with a really close blueprint!
Which is not to say that Haim have done something new, but rather that in this regard the retro-mining is very precise.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:42 (ten years ago) link
Phil's "Don't Lose My Number"?
I get a Bangles vibe too (from the rhythms, though obv the vocals too to some extent) but when I go back and check none of the Bangles' tunes were riding quite the same vibe.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:43 (ten years ago) link
yeah, bangles def
― wk, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:45 (ten years ago) link
they weren't quite rhythmically creative
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:45 (ten years ago) link
The resemblance is a stretch but when "Edge" is playing I keep singing the Georgian song from this year's Eurovision over it.
― Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 23:48 (ten years ago) link
The too-brief lift-off section of "Honey & I" is amazing.
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 October 2013 05:40 (ten years ago) link
Watching their itunes festival concert and feeling good.
― Moka, Thursday, 3 October 2013 06:48 (ten years ago) link
My guess is that this isn't really down to the influence of any one band per se and more to do with them having watched a shitload of 80s movies at some point.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 3 October 2013 08:53 (ten years ago) link
Maybe two thirds of the songs here are credit-rollers.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 3 October 2013 08:54 (ten years ago) link
I find this happens a lot when discussing 80s-influenced bands. They're stuffed with signifiers of the 80s but it's hard to pin them down to one particular band. Even though If I Could Change Your Mind sounds very derivative to me I can't place what it's derivative of. I think for young bands, all of these 80s records they've heard have merged so the result sounds "80s" more than it sounds like any one artist. Which is why reviews tend to resort to vague catch-alls like "John Hughes soundtrack".
And I see that Matt's just made the same point but shorter.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 3 October 2013 08:55 (ten years ago) link
There's a little bit of Kim Wilde in this too.
― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Thursday, 3 October 2013 09:17 (ten years ago) link