HAIM

i'm sure we're all on tenterhooks

are people still allowed to disagree with the first draft or should we destroy any devices which have a trace of it?

'Middle-aged white dude' now = 'First world problems' of online music rhetoric it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74DeoFjmA74

Huh, I've never heard of Garbage and the Flowers, but that sounds right in my wheelhouse! Thanks, screed writer of screed I opted to skim at best except for some reference to an obscure New Zealand band that caught my eye.

17 individual listeners on last.fm this week, surprised they aren't getting a lot more coverage in the broadsheets tbh

"The critics who profess to like it… i.e. the 40-something white male middle-class Guardian critics"

in my experience this has not been the majority but what do I know

that http://www.collapseboard.com/everett-true/haim-an-open-letter-to-christopher-r-weingarten/ is working btw.

I hope ET isnt trying to compare Scott Creney (terrible writer) to Neil Kulkarni.

also lol at ET having a go at white middle aged writers.

as for "Haim are pitched toward young girls!" my theory is that can be traced directly back to when people discovered that valli girls press release. I've seen a few people (mostly commenters, but) try to make some sort of Lana Del Rey non-authenticity/"plant" argument from it, which is iffy because it betrays very little knowledge of what it's like to be someone in LA trying to break into music, or what types of connections are likely to get you PR emails that get opened. it's like saying "this chef is a hack, she worked at Panera once in high school!"

and as for "how convenient that everyone rediscovers pop once people figured out you WILL NOT GET WORK if you don't like it because pageviews" -- to an extent there's a nugget of truth to this, but I also think an act like Haim would have been covered just as widely back in, oh, 1997, probably even more so.

LOLz at the Grantland piece presuming that everyone thinks Haim are an indie group when actually – and here's the big reveal – they're a mainstream pop group. Did anyone think Haim were an indie group? Ever? Really?

maybe it's because indie and guitar pop is indistinguishable now? Have to admit I cant imagine anyone saying they're indie though. Certainly not fans of indie.

I can see Haim being popular with teenagers as much as middle aged radio 2 listeners. Not sure they're being aimed at just one market. I find them very boring but nothing a 15 or a 50 year old couldn't enjoy.

haim seems as indie as, like, phoenix. make of that what you will i guess.

I thought that grantland piece had it backwards. it seems like the pop charts might start to diversify a bit from all-euro-dance-beats-all-the-time, which would be more like the beginning period of "alternative" wouldn't it? who is the charting nirvana that haim's sugar ray is pushing out of the charts?

xp Critics loved Hanson in 1997 and plenty of mainstream pop besides, if you look at P&J results. It's not like a generation of indie snob critics have suddenly come around to pop because of SEO. In fact the true snobs, like DeRo, are digging their heels in. It's a completely false narrative.

"MMMbop" topped the P&J singles list.

I was a little puzzled when I saw Haim described as an indie band, but I think it's more a reference to their trajectory (DIY band with Jenny Lewis/Strokes connections) than anything else. One result is that they get played/respected in places that might not have time for "just" a pop band -- they've been played a lot on World Cafe, e.g.

And that in turn is presumably what bothers the likes of DeRo -- people Who Should Know Better are taking them seriously.

love it when DeRo goes down fighting

Would play the hell out of a Haim cover of MMMbop.

Otm

MMMbop-UH!

I am not feeling The Wire as much as the other singles, but boy this album is fun through and through. Not only the song themselves. about 6 of them bring me pure joy, but the idea of a band like this one having that much critical success. Not sure Haim is taking as seriously in 2005.

Co-worker who reads Grantland regularly and has been following the Haim beef on Twitter walked into my office a few minutes ago and said, "Chris Weingarten is kind of a dick, isn't he?"

oh the stories you could tell

If you, a grown adult, think Live or Pearl Jam or Sugar Ray had some different agenda than Metallica because they knew who the Feelies were, well I got a bridge in a Shit Towne to sell you, bruh.

i don't think sugar ray knows the feelies whiney

I am 100% certain Mark McGrath knows about The Feelies

I heard Mark McGrath formed Sugar Ray after seeing the Feelies perform.

this should've made the album https://soundcloud.com/twin-shadow/haim-edge

Sugar Ray covered Eno-Cale so...

xxxps I stuck up for Whiney solely on the basis of "in the aeroplane over the .css" and his Public Enemy book.

Aw, thank you, Phil!

xps This "Edge" song is fantastic. I definitely prefer shorter albums to longer ones, and I don't which song I would've chopped to get it on the Haim album, but I agree it should be on there.

eno and cale are way more famous than the feelies

DJP are you teasing some sultry crazy rhythms tete a tete with mark mcgrath or what????

dish girlfriend

lol no

I'm saying any dude in a guitar-based band in his early 40s that had any link/pretension to an indie scene is going to know who The Feelies were; I mean, I knew who they were solely from reading Rolling Stone

But ... can Mark McGrath read?!

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/mark_mcgrath_2001_02_15.jpg

Brian Wilson solo T, pretty hip.

Mark McGrath was on Rock n Roll Jeopardy and cleaned house. Stop being snobs.

Yeah, he was a machine as a contestant and then, after Jeff Probst got too busy with Survivor, hosted the show for a hot minute.

Oh wait, he didn't. He was going to revive the show, but it never got out of the planning stages.

Seems like a stand-up dude, tbh.

Mark McGrath was on Rock n Roll Jeopardy and cleaned house. Stop being snobs.

― smangerz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 4, 2013 2:15 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was gonna say this. i was about the make the case for mcgrath as some kind of tragic genius figure who lucked into a wack career but i don't know enough really and don't care

lol I think goole is basically OTM

ok i'll admit when i'm wrong

mark mcgrath you know who the feelies are and i'm sorry i doubted you.

tyler's blog has some good bootlegs check em out

back to "Edge," which is terrific.

tyler's blog has some good bootlegs check em out

Sugar Ray bootlegs?

no feelies stuff, really deep cuts

Just jokin'. I've downloaded a bunch of his stuff (which of course is ace, love Tyler's site).

Sugar Ray are classic, you fuckheads.