HAIM

This explains the invective.

my response to everett is in the comments

http://www.collapseboard.com/everett-true/haim-an-open-letter-to-christopher-r-weingarten/

sub-Chunklet.... nice

good response, whiney

Yeah, nice not taking the bait and actually staying pretty even tempered.

really hope they get the #1

wgw otm

wait so is Haim like getting played on the radio in the uk? (I guess everyone gets played on the radio in the uk, but I mean like to a significant amount?)

"The Wire" is on the Radio 1 A list at the moment, and just appeared on the UK Radio Airplay chart.

I'm seeing them at a smallish (400 person) venue on Sunday (hopefully tropical storm Karen will have cleared out by evening). I'm a bit giddy.

Also, it’s OK to not like the Haim album, but not liking it by throwing around Bryan Adams, Wilson Phillips, and Rick Astley’s names like it’s bad to make good pop music is some sub-Chunklet aging punk bullshit, and corny as fuck.

Yeah really, having, like, taste and standards is so fucking Dischord, dudes. Can't wait for the RSD 180g diehard red vinyl reissue of Heart in Motion by Amy fucking Grant."

omg kill yourself

You know Heart In Motion has a gang of hardcore fans on ilm, do you not?

By 'gang' do you mean REDACTED?

I guess this would be easier to swallow if it wasn't some transparent social climbing 'VMA limited access' horseshit from yet another writer trying to rationalize his Lolita complex and collection of secret Richard Marx cassingles

u are a traet

oh huh haim has a song called the wire and wire had an album called pink flag and that flag was pepto pink.

I guess this would be easier to swallow if it wasn't some transparent social climbing 'VMA limited access' horseshit from yet another writer trying to rationalize his Lolita complex and collection of secret Richard Marx cassingles

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WwDaoULXp2Y/TrBi8ZG9OkI/AAAAAAAAAog/92fGO7QQmic/s1600/Mike%2BNapoleon.jpg

I don't understand -- championing Heart in Motion, released when Amy Grant was 30, is evidence of a Lolita complex?

I've never heard the album in full, but "Baby Baby" and "Every Heartbeat" hold up fantastically. Richard Marx had a couple of jams, too.

I'm on team Heart in Motion

guys his DN has "dyspeptic" in it

As a riff on a Red Red Meat album title.

I guess it's just sorta tragic to me that a writer would take a swipe at Chunklet - who, let's be honest, are sorta the Led Zep to Whiney's Kingdom Come - while extolling the virtues of the "good pop music" of Wilson Philips. My contention here is simply that failing to make a distinction between "pop music" and "objectively terrible music" is far more contrarian and corny (and boring) in 2013 than, oh, I dunno, offering to "pay bands not to play." Whiney isn't here to defend himself, so I'm not going to continue ranting (I generally enjoy CW's writing, follow him on twitter, etc) but that comment sorta made me wanna barf.

Everett linked to this thread in the comments section, lolz

If u cannot get behind "Hold On" and "You're In Love" as "good pop music" get yr fuckin ears checked imho

I actually just prefer Taylor Dane, is all - her drum sound is so much more Neurosis-y

I listen to mostly music where people growl unintelligibly about putting people through a meat grinder or drinking the blood of dead goats...and I can still admit "Hold On" is a damn good song.

music is never an either/or proposition and it became more fun for me when I quit basing my tastes on "hmm, I shouldn't REALLY like this, should I?"

When it comes to music, not liking something is rarely a virtue imo. Not that it can't be fun, but that's another thing.

Both of those posts OTM.

it's not disparaging "objectively terrible music" that scans as sub-chunk corny fuckness, but rather lining up bryan adams, wilson phillips, and rick astley to condemn by utterly meaningless association. they aren't objectively terrible artists. they're in-crowd code for a boring, obvious and massively dated antipop stance. like invoking phil collins would have been a decade back, before that same crowd got around to admitting they actually like phil collins.

and i love chunklet/owings, ftr

chunklet would've made fun of haim but there's a 65% chance it would have been funny about it

xp To what 'in crowd' are you referring, exactly? Potbellied guys who like Captain Beefheart and The Fall or the young, articulate pop apologists on this thread?

This

How fortunate that so many rock critics have discovered the latent love for pop music that always laid deep within, just at a time when it’s been proven that you will not get work if your music criticism does not attract the requisite number of hits in web 2.0.

may be cynical as fuck but it's also pretty otm

also 65% otm too

presumptuous as fuck IMO.

I'm not going to continue ranting

Wtf is this "objectively terrible " bs?

this thread and the creativity and artistry one might as well merge if we're going to head down that rabbit hole!

btw I liked The New Radicals

xp To what 'in crowd' are you referring, exactly? Potbellied guys who like Captain Beefheart and The Fall or the young, articulate pop apologists on this thread?

the former, of course. my people, the middle-aged, postpunk chunklet readers of the world. the rug rats have their own code, in which rick astley probably stands for something very different.

lol at the idea that writing pop criticism gets you any more web traffic than writing criticism about any other music does

seriously

spin's haim feature got crushed traffic-wise by our stream of the melt banana album

also lol @ getting so up in arms about CHUNKLET, oh no who could ever "take a swipe" at it

whiney if i'm not mistaken also likes chunklet and has contributed to some chunklet projects and normally when you say that something is "sub-" something else, it's not a swipe at the publication but the person

If there's two thinks I like, it's subs and Chunklet.

I've written for Chunklet and love Henry, obviously. But "punk rock über alles" as a their default doesn't exactly gel with my worldview.

This thread is sub-Miley and currently over-Albini, but both of those will change with my post.

this thread and the creativity and artistry one might as well merge if we're going to head down that rabbit hole!

― Neanderthal, Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:30 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've purposely avoided that thread because I already feel like Chaplin railing against the talkies here and I'd just as soon not be one more of those guys.

Chaplin later made a couple of awful talkies so

don't feel Chaplin as much as you're telling us "hate more stuff".

"spin's haim feature got crushed traffic-wise by our stream of the melt banana album"

to be fair comparing a feature and an album stream is like comparing apples to the NYT front pge

great thread.

recently i have explained to younger folk just how unfashionable Fleetwood Mac were in the late 80s/90s and had funny looks. people can't believe they were ever not hugely popular/cool or whatever but even i was surprised to watch this. i never considered them to be 'punchline of a sketch/ butt-of-a-joke' unpopular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9iwNicTDcA

and i mean yeah you can say 'oh so some shit 80s comedy outfit didn't like them so what?' but there it is.

very pertinent post