I heard a set with Jimmy Rip the other day from around the other day presumably. Just doesn't seem to have the same hypnotic magic as the band did with Lloyd. Could be a couple of things including being 35 years since the more hypnotic material was recorded, but I think they still had some of that when they came back in 92 and possibly the last Lloyd tour. Shame, I should have made sure I saw them back when i had a chance to with Lloyd.
Well i have the live sets from the 70s anyway. Shame there isn't more visual footage of them from then though.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
ERRATUM: the guiding light on youtube i mentioned is san francisco, not buenos aires
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 20 November 2013 19:58 (ten years ago) link
So I don't know how to make a playlist on youtube but yesterday I added all the videos of 2013 TV performances to my favorites list. About half are from the south american dates from this spring and half are from the dates of the last few weeks, particularly san francisco. My youtube user name is jpl725 so if you go to my favorites list these should be the first dozen or so videos you see.
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 21 November 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link
cool, thanks, Jon! listening to this new Rhys Chatham LP and there are some verrrrrry Television-y moments on the first track.
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 November 2013 18:45 (ten years ago) link
Just spent 50 minutes trying to get tickets on ticketmaster's site and now it looks like both nights are sold out ;_;
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 November 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link
ouch!
― sleeve, Friday, 22 November 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
depressed
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 November 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
duuuuude, no! where is the show, is it in a tiny place or something?
― tylerw, Friday, 22 November 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
yeah. The new Rough Trade store in Brooklyn has a performance space. Just 300 ppl, supposedly. Became aware of that last night so we were going at it as soon as the sale went up but just got the spinning wheel of "Searching for tickets" until it was too late.
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 November 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link
that's a bummer -- 3-2-1 til scalpers start selling 'em?
― tylerw, Friday, 22 November 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
only one on craigslist so far but I would suppose so yeah
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 November 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link
hey jon - i may have a spare for the friday. would you be interested?
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
hell yes (though I do hate to leave my partner in crime behind, but... hell yes). I am at joncroaker (at) g m a i l (dot) com
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
'92 Television show was prob the first one where i saw a lotta '70s ppl w/ gray hair
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
haha i am a 70s person with no hair. sent you a message, jon.
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
Just in case a spam filter snags me: I wrote you back in the resounding affirmative. :D
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 November 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link
finally getting around to richard hell's book, pretty interesting stuff, though it is funny that (at least in Hell's hindsight) he and verlaine were pretty much done with each other after Television's first gig. also strange that hell has nothing good to say about richard lloyd. especially since i just listened to marquee moon yesterday and holy cow, lloyd's guitar sound remains celestial.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 December 2013 23:41 (ten years ago) link
y'know, if i had a sore point with their show at rough trade, it was jimmy rip's slavish imitation of lloyd's sound on marquee moon. he played a tele through all kinds of pedals. really nailed the sound to a t. then when it came time to improvise, instead of lloyd's pythagorean modal whatsis, out came some bendy technique-heavy studio guitarist stuff. who's he gonna impress with that? not a house full of television fans.
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 00:56 (ten years ago) link
yeah, some of Ripp's solos on the sydney show don't quite mesh, even though he's sticking to the basic structure of most of Lloyd's stuff. of course, I thought that occasionally when Lloyd was in the band during the 00s. He sometimes slipped into those chopsy show offy moments too. i actually liked Ripp's mid-song lead on 1880 or So.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link
I think Hell's gripes about Lloyd are more to do with his personality rather than his guitar playing
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah definitely, but he doesn't even give Lloyd the obligatory "but boy he sure could play that guitar". I guess when Hell was in the band Lloyd might not've really figured out his sound yet.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
mm, self evident?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
https://31.media.tumblr.com/4705d710d6e75a094343cf89d47dd45d/tumblr_mya7o5iS8i1s4tb5bo1_400.jpgkind of funny that they got the album title and the single title wrong, but i would've liked to see this bill.
― tylerw, Monday, 23 December 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link
Any Only Ones shows up?
― dow, Monday, 23 December 2013 23:53 (ten years ago) link
only only ones bootleggy kinda thing i have is from (i think) 1979. And the quality is kind of bad iirc.
― tylerw, Monday, 23 December 2013 23:57 (ten years ago) link
Never did get into that late 70s American-issued comp, Special View, but hoped some shows might show me the way to their critically-acclaimed specialness--think it was mainly Peter P.'s voice what put me off.
― dow, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 00:02 (ten years ago) link
i love 'em but his voice may indeed be an acquired taste. but then again, so is verlaine's! Their BBC sessions are awesome.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 00:03 (ten years ago) link
I always liked Verlaine's voice! It suits his good-to-great stuff perfectly; can't save the weaker stuff, but there's not too much weaker stuff and that's the law of the jungle anyway. I'll check TOO's BBC Sessions, thanks.
― dow, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link
Television to take off! To The Great White North
http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs126/1102271303916/img/1069.png
― dow, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
weird lineup
― tylerw, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link
The first album popped up on random shuffle yesterday. Man, the drums on that thing are every bit the equal of the guitars.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 January 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link
When I saw the two tiny venue Brooklyn shows in November, I was really able to get a good look at what ficca was doing. So amazing. The way he takes advantage of the sides of the drums is so cool. He'll drag the stick along those metal ribs (excuse my ignorance, these are for tuning, right?) to get a rapid series of rim shots, for example.
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 January 2014 12:14 (ten years ago) link
xp Late response but one's best intro to The Only Ones is the Peel Sessions comp.
There's all these interesting fests popping up in the Midwest too. Television is at Big Ears Festival in Knoxville. Check out the lineup: http://www.bigearsfestival.com/
Then there's this, but without Televivion (Earth is playing both):
http://www.missionfreak.com/assets/overlay-e1af1a2b621ffc19de03121063a7c839.jpg
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 30 January 2014 13:05 (ten years ago) link
I often wondered how he did those 'rimshot rolls'
― Mark G, Sunday, 2 February 2014 10:49 (ten years ago) link
Hmmm what are the pros and cons of going to see Television in 2014 if I rate Marquee Moon about 8 out of 10 for personal enjoyment and haven't heard much else of theirs?
― Call the Cops, Sunday, 2 February 2014 12:30 (ten years ago) link
8 pro, 2 con?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 February 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link
jesus, fucking go!!!
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 2 February 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
OK, you helped make that an easy decision. Merci.
― Call the Cops, Sunday, 2 February 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
Seeing the band next week. Been a while.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link
Wished they'd come back my way. Saw 'em during that '90s reunion phase
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
Really good last night, though I could do without "Persia."
It's obviously obvious, but it finally struck me last night:
Tom Verlaine. T. V.TVTelevision.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 May 2014 12:09 (ten years ago) link
puns that you had missed
― Bo Diddley Is A Threadkiller (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:20 (ten years ago) link
I just got that. Fuck.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:34 (ten years ago) link
TVT.V.Tom Miller
― Mark G, Friday, 9 May 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v7FZwyOdvU
― Bo Diddley Is A Threadkiller (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:51 (ten years ago) link
Persia is the greatest thing ever on some nights; on other nights it's just okay. I hope they are able to bottle it when a studio recording eventually comes out.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Friday, 9 May 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link
http://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/undercoverss15televisionmarqueemoon.jpg
Japanese fashion line features iconic images of Tom Verlaine and Television
― Amory Blaine, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:27 (nine years ago) link
Thought that was a Halloween costume. I would totally give all the candy to a kid who trick-or-treated as Marquee Moon.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
Ha otm
― Amory Blaine, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
I just noticed that Television will be performing in Philly between Christmas and New Year's. Wondering if I, a fan of Marquee Moon and lover of that original CBGB period who never saw them before, should see them or if they're a shell of their former self. Any opinions?
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link