hell yes (though I do hate to leave my partner in crime behind, but... hell yes). I am at joncroaker (at) g m a i l (dot) com
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
'92 Television show was prob the first one where i saw a lotta '70s ppl w/ gray hair
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
haha i am a 70s person with no hair. sent you a message, jon.
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
Just in case a spam filter snags me: I wrote you back in the resounding affirmative. :D
― Pressgang Wolf (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 November 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link
finally getting around to richard hell's book, pretty interesting stuff, though it is funny that (at least in Hell's hindsight) he and verlaine were pretty much done with each other after Television's first gig. also strange that hell has nothing good to say about richard lloyd. especially since i just listened to marquee moon yesterday and holy cow, lloyd's guitar sound remains celestial.
― tylerw, Monday, 9 December 2013 23:41 (ten years ago) link
y'know, if i had a sore point with their show at rough trade, it was jimmy rip's slavish imitation of lloyd's sound on marquee moon. he played a tele through all kinds of pedals. really nailed the sound to a t. then when it came time to improvise, instead of lloyd's pythagorean modal whatsis, out came some bendy technique-heavy studio guitarist stuff. who's he gonna impress with that? not a house full of television fans.
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 00:56 (ten years ago) link
yeah, some of Ripp's solos on the sydney show don't quite mesh, even though he's sticking to the basic structure of most of Lloyd's stuff. of course, I thought that occasionally when Lloyd was in the band during the 00s. He sometimes slipped into those chopsy show offy moments too. i actually liked Ripp's mid-song lead on 1880 or So.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link
I think Hell's gripes about Lloyd are more to do with his personality rather than his guitar playing
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah definitely, but he doesn't even give Lloyd the obligatory "but boy he sure could play that guitar". I guess when Hell was in the band Lloyd might not've really figured out his sound yet.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
mm, self evident?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
https://31.media.tumblr.com/4705d710d6e75a094343cf89d47dd45d/tumblr_mya7o5iS8i1s4tb5bo1_400.jpgkind of funny that they got the album title and the single title wrong, but i would've liked to see this bill.
― tylerw, Monday, 23 December 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link
Any Only Ones shows up?
― dow, Monday, 23 December 2013 23:53 (ten years ago) link
only only ones bootleggy kinda thing i have is from (i think) 1979. And the quality is kind of bad iirc.
― tylerw, Monday, 23 December 2013 23:57 (ten years ago) link
Never did get into that late 70s American-issued comp, Special View, but hoped some shows might show me the way to their critically-acclaimed specialness--think it was mainly Peter P.'s voice what put me off.
― dow, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 00:02 (ten years ago) link
i love 'em but his voice may indeed be an acquired taste. but then again, so is verlaine's! Their BBC sessions are awesome.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 00:03 (ten years ago) link
I always liked Verlaine's voice! It suits his good-to-great stuff perfectly; can't save the weaker stuff, but there's not too much weaker stuff and that's the law of the jungle anyway. I'll check TOO's BBC Sessions, thanks.
― dow, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link
Television to take off! To The Great White North
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― dow, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
weird lineup
― tylerw, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link
The first album popped up on random shuffle yesterday. Man, the drums on that thing are every bit the equal of the guitars.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 January 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link
When I saw the two tiny venue Brooklyn shows in November, I was really able to get a good look at what ficca was doing. So amazing. The way he takes advantage of the sides of the drums is so cool. He'll drag the stick along those metal ribs (excuse my ignorance, these are for tuning, right?) to get a rapid series of rim shots, for example.
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 January 2014 12:14 (ten years ago) link
xp Late response but one's best intro to The Only Ones is the Peel Sessions comp.
There's all these interesting fests popping up in the Midwest too. Television is at Big Ears Festival in Knoxville. Check out the lineup: http://www.bigearsfestival.com/
Then there's this, but without Televivion (Earth is playing both):
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― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 30 January 2014 13:05 (ten years ago) link
I often wondered how he did those 'rimshot rolls'
― Mark G, Sunday, 2 February 2014 10:49 (ten years ago) link
Hmmm what are the pros and cons of going to see Television in 2014 if I rate Marquee Moon about 8 out of 10 for personal enjoyment and haven't heard much else of theirs?
― Call the Cops, Sunday, 2 February 2014 12:30 (ten years ago) link
8 pro, 2 con?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 February 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link
jesus, fucking go!!!
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 2 February 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
OK, you helped make that an easy decision. Merci.
― Call the Cops, Sunday, 2 February 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
Seeing the band next week. Been a while.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link
Wished they'd come back my way. Saw 'em during that '90s reunion phase
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link
Really good last night, though I could do without "Persia."
It's obviously obvious, but it finally struck me last night:
Tom Verlaine. T. V.TVTelevision.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 May 2014 12:09 (ten years ago) link
puns that you had missed
― Bo Diddley Is A Threadkiller (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:20 (ten years ago) link
I just got that. Fuck.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:34 (ten years ago) link
TVT.V.Tom Miller
― Mark G, Friday, 9 May 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v7FZwyOdvU
― Bo Diddley Is A Threadkiller (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 May 2014 13:51 (ten years ago) link
Persia is the greatest thing ever on some nights; on other nights it's just okay. I hope they are able to bottle it when a studio recording eventually comes out.
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Friday, 9 May 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link
http://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/undercoverss15televisionmarqueemoon.jpg
Japanese fashion line features iconic images of Tom Verlaine and Television
― Amory Blaine, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:27 (nine years ago) link
Thought that was a Halloween costume. I would totally give all the candy to a kid who trick-or-treated as Marquee Moon.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
Ha otm
― Amory Blaine, Wednesday, 29 October 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
I just noticed that Television will be performing in Philly between Christmas and New Year's. Wondering if I, a fan of Marquee Moon and lover of that original CBGB period who never saw them before, should see them or if they're a shell of their former self. Any opinions?
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link
NYC Native: The band is not the same without Richard Lloyd. I am assuming he won't be there. I saw them in Central Park a few years back and it was lackluster at best. If Lloyd is somehow on board I'd say by all means attend.
― kwhitehead, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link
Disagree. Lloyd is inimitable and irreplaceable but they remain very much worth seeing. Ripp has his own thing to bring. The rough trade shows were excellent. I don't blame kwhitehead for forming that opinion based on that Central Park show though -- it was right after Lloyd left and it sucked.
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 30 October 2014 19:54 (nine years ago) link
yeah, i mean you shouldn't expect the heights of 1978 or anything, but if you like hearing verlaine play guitar, how could it be bad? not to mention that rhythm section. the recent instrumental set in NYC last weekend sounded interesting.
― tylerw, Thursday, 30 October 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
this is cool -- numero is putting out an Ork Records box set -- television, hell, chilton, feelies, many more!http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/10946552_327555314118909_2025837582_n.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
!
― Zings of Oblivion (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 January 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
it is a GOOD IDEA. feelies stuff is particularly exciting because those recordings have never been released (or bootlegged afaik)
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 22:15 (nine years ago) link
Richard's jug-like runs on "Fire Engine" <3
― Duke, Sunday, 10 April 2016 14:55 (eight years ago) link
Has anyone ever seen Tom Verlaine or Richard Lloyd reference any interest in Wishbone Ash? You listen to the guitar playing on songs like 'The Pilgrim' especially on their live record, you definitely find some sonic similarity with Television. I know Thin Lizzy and Maiden were both inspired by the dual guitar playing, but in some ways you can hear it quite a bit in Television.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:43 (seven years ago) link
― How Do I Shot Hole In Soul? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:52 (seven years ago) link
Hmm. I don't think I have seen Verlaine or Lloyd talk about Wishbone Ash at all, but I can see why you'd come to that conclusion. I might dig out Adventure for a listen soon, it's been a while.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link
Just saw them live the other night. I don't know Wishbone Ash, so can't say. I heard bits of surf, Duane Eddy, Coltrane free jazz.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 September 2016 12:20 (seven years ago) link
I saw Television most recently maybe a year or two ago (post-Lloyd era), and I took a guitar nerd friend of mine who was a) somehow not terribly familiar with Television and b) weirdly unimpressed. I think he dismissed it as "faux-naive" or something like that.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 September 2016 16:54 (seven years ago) link