can't believe ilx has no lostprophets thread

deems the whole point is to preserve the anonymity of the child victims not the subhuman trash themselves

there's a chance that these children will be growing up from a very young age in foster care under new identities, so maybe this whole bit is theoretical? again i'm not saying that to excuse anyone's actions but maybe the consequences of the leaked names won't be as disastrous as they potentially could be. obviously entering the realm of deep hypothesis here

yeah but fostered kids and adoptees often look up their birth parents

oh sure, but at least they might grow up in an environment where other people don't know who they are

something that would be more likely to happen if people could resist the vicarious thrill of identifying them in public space now

It's massively gone tits up, one of the women's twitter was still online until last night with her kid's given name all over it

the police and other legal authorities in this country are still absolute ignorant fuckwits when it comes to the internet

"when it comes to the internet"

"in this country"

well yeah i'd guess but i speak only of what i know

Not only assuming kid is already with another set of parents but fervently hoping so.

there was a horrifying and highly-publicised rape and murder case here a couple of years ago and the other day, during a talk at a fundraiser, a senior cop showed the crowd a photo of the victim's semi-naked body just after it had been uncovered in a shallow grave.

so we heard over here :/

Lostprophets tour manager speaks...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/445654/Lostprophets-tour-manager-How-can-anyone-forgive-sick-peadophile-Ian-Watkins

I'm struggling to find words for any of this, by the way. Everything about this is incredibly fucking depressing.

Lostprophets' tour manager: How can anyone forgive sick peadophile Ian Watkins?

They meant peabophile I think, h from steps is a big peabo bryson fan

King of the syrupy duet

Tbf, the tour manager didn't do the mis-spelling..

Also, spot on what he said.

I'm really surprised that nobody has made mention of the fact that one of the last bands to support Lostprophets before Watkins was arrested were the very young all-girl band Cherri Bomb, whose guitarist would have only been about 15 or something at the time. Christ, if only they'd known eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaXCkRS2j5Q

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/nov/29/lostprophets-removed-hmv-ian-watkins

HMV's decision reflects the gravity of Watkins' crimes. It is unusual for a major retailer to entirely remove an artist's catalogue, even after a major conviction: HMV continue to sell records by Gary Glitter, Burzum and Charles Manson.

suspect "HMV's decision reflects their interest in sidestepping flaming-torch Twitter campaigns for the sake of a band who no-one is going to buy albums by anyway" might be more accurate

theres also the possible need to avert a ratm style xmas chart entry SCANDAL where all 2396 tru believer lostprophet fans alongside some bantz kids get them into the top 75

They'll just have to settle for Gary Glitter's 'Rock'N'Roll parts 1 & 2' instead then.

find it hard to believe 15 yr old girls in that scene wouldnt have already known him a lecherous creep though, even if that was maybe the first couple of milimetres of the iceberg

Can't believe the Guardian mentioned Burzum before an ILXor could

Finding it hard to credit that HMV is stocking Charles Manson albums atm

They're going big on A Very Manson Christmas: 20 Family Favourites.

They never have them when I ask for them

If anyone's near an HMV today can they go in and ask for Burzum, Manson, Glitter and a Polanski box set?

Was reading Neil Young's book recently and he had quite favourable words for Charlie's musical skills.

They're not confusing them with Mansun, are they?

This was a half-decent read too: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/charles-manson-today-the-final-confessions-of-a-psychopath-20131121

xpost

I saw some of Hitler's paintings, they're a bit rub but he's still better than me at painting.

But that's not the point, right?

Manson's a much better singer than me, but my guitar playing is better

i'm definitely a finer batsman than chairman mao zedong

lol

deems is prob a better striker than marlon king. or at least in and around the same level.

striker of footballs sure

a rain shall come

Yah mo school Lavrentii Beria at Sensible Soccer

The woman who initially reported Watkins a few years back was on This Morning today, apparently.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/nov/29/ian-watkins-art-sins-artist

http://news.sky.com/story/1176015/lostprophets-angry-disgusted-at-ian-watkins

Even as I've been writing this paragraph, a new tweet has appeared: "Did I just see a hashtag #IanWatkinsIsInnocent WTFFFFFFFFFFF"

expanded quote for context

Such was the level of vitriol aimed at Watkins that earlier this week, entirely accidentally, the hashtag ianwatkinsisinnocent started trending on Twitter. In fact, no one had been tweeting his innocence: the hashtag was coined by fans a year ago, when he was first charged. It began trending because people searching Twitter for Ian Watkins found it coming up in their searches, and leapt in to condemn the coinage. Even as I've been writing this paragraph, a new tweet has appeared: "Did I just see a hashtag #IanWatkinsIsInnocent WTFFFFFFFFFFF"

Sorry about this

http://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1477499_10152062219862673_2145596369_n.jpg

ok, that's almost funny

Don't want to do too much amateur analysis as the case is so fucked up.

However, I am wondering if the women giving him their children to abuse has something to do with a certain kind of fandom specific to LPs genre?

I was explaining to someone yesterday how LP weren't a 'fuck fuck fuck kill everyone with a gun' type of rock band (who you might 'expect' to be real sickos, maybe, whatever) but rather a 'Sometimes I feel so insecuuuuuuuuuuuure' type of rock band (and maybe to find the real sicko over in this genre instead was 'surprising', maybe, whatever).

Watkins, like a lot of lead singers in this genre – 'emo' is probably inaccurate but covers similar types - is supposed to be a 'voice' or 'leader' for the depressed fans, someone who understands them. That's a different relationship to the one where fans just think of their favourite band as 'cool' or 'great', right?

If this specific type of fandom exists, and these women had that relationship to him, maybe that's how he was able to convince them. It seems like it would be a magnet for vulnerable people.

This also requires adults to still be fans in a very teenage way, of course. But 'emo' (again not an accurate genre label but it's the closest I know to whatever LP are) is a scene that people stick with in quite a frighteningly serious way, well into adulthood

"Don't want to do too much amateur analysis as the case is so fucked up."

should've ended your post there.

The other element to consider is that whereas in LP's heyday (which was 00-05, IIRC) in provincial British youth music culture there were two definite 'sides'. Numetal/pop punk/emo/similar, VS garage/hardcore/r'n'b/hip hop.

But then the numetal type stuff was very quickly killed off by arrival of Strokes type indie and lots of bands whose names started with 'The'. So the rough aesthetic constellation that Lostprophets were part of suddenly shrunk to a footnote. British nu-metal being an offshoot of a big American trend, that just got chucked out in favour of a new one.

It's odd to notice that some people are still into nu-metal and emo in 2013: what if that scene's dwindled to a hard core of fans, who are the only people who would take LP/Watkins seriously? You've got the makings of a cult situation there – perhaps.

But like I said. Amateur analysis, and it all feels distasteful given the severity of the abuse. I'm leaving it here in case my ramblings about provincial British youth culture can get us any closer to working out how this kind of thing happens.

jim in glasgow, yeah you're right, but I wanted to say something more than just how terrible it all is. By all means point out idiocies in my posts – I don't offer the above with any kind of authority, just trying to make sense of it all.