yes, up to a point - trying to identify a milieu
Well, fwiw, what my posts were trying to look at was not the milieu so much as the power relationships
that makes abuse more likely to happen means saying some people have lower odds of not becoming abusers - but as i say, i don't think statistics bears that out at all.
Not what I intended to say, although if it looked like I was saying that, fair enough, glad ppl are calling it out.
Although if, again, we were talking about Charles Manson, I don't think identifying what parts of the world he moved in helped him to commit his crimes, would 'mean saying' that such crimes could only happen within the part of the hippy culture he inhabited. Likewise with Polanski, who had his enablers and powerful defenders in the film world, I don't think that would mean saying that only in the film world could such crimes have been committed. Or if we're talking about abusers operating in the military, or children's homes, or any other site of abuse. There's nothing there, in the specific location of a crime, that should make us comfortable or complacent because we move in a different world
― cardamon, Sunday, 1 December 2013 21:36 (ten years ago) link
There are every year in Britain numerous cases of men persuading women to let them abuse their children. Most of them are not rock stars, or rich, or famous.
My wife's work sometimes involves child protection cases and yes, this was pretty much her response when she first heard the story.
― exciting vampire castle (NickB), Sunday, 1 December 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link
Speculating when you have none of the facts helps no-one. I can understand why ppl try to do it but I think it's a little tabloid esque
― kinder, Sunday, 1 December 2013 21:54 (ten years ago) link
xp to me Also, are we going to just exonerate the world a criminal moves in and say, nah, there's nothing in the star/fan relationship that helps abusers, nothing in the military that does that, nah, the world is innocent, just these evil-doers come along
― cardamon, Sunday, 1 December 2013 21:57 (ten years ago) link
Hearing under way: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675
the court heard Watkins had said in a phone call after admitting the charges: "It was mega lols. I don't know what everyone is getting freaked out about."He denied being a paedophile and told the caller he only pleaded guilty to avoid a trial.
He denied being a paedophile and told the caller he only pleaded guilty to avoid a trial.
― Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:12 (ten years ago) link
liveblog here for the prurient
― wantaway strikers make money working from home (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:16 (ten years ago) link
"The involvement and responsibility of these offences is joint and equal and without the mothers would not have taken place."
this guy is truly a class act
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link
Watkins is now said to be "ashamed and appalled by what has happened".
That's certainly what I would surmise from the phrase "it was megalolz. I don't know what everyone is getting freaked out about."
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:22 (ten years ago) link
Sentences in around half an hour, it seems.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:22 (ten years ago) link
compelled to note here that use of the term "megalolz" doubles as a reference to a line of Lostprophets merchandise from a few years back
― wantaway strikers make money working from home (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:26 (ten years ago) link
wonder if it's too late for his defence to present a case like "well my client feels like he got the football man, he's running towards the touchdown and stopping and looking back, mess around, he’ll get tackled"
― wantaway strikers make money working from home (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:28 (ten years ago) link
Watkins' defence lawyers have also told the court that he is not the first rock star to get carried away by the effect of adulation from fans, and end up taking advantage of it.
Not sure the Hammer of the Gods defence works with baby rape.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:32 (ten years ago) link
Th Hammer of the Gods defence shouldn't work with anything.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:36 (ten years ago) link
nothing says "truly sorry" like trying to shift as much blame as possible onto other people
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:36 (ten years ago) link
His defence lawyer is a woman. Imagine having to take that case.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:39 (ten years ago) link
The musician held more computer data than the police force who investigated his evil crimes, it was claimed.Detective Chief Inspector Peter Doyle, who led the investigation, said: "Watkins' data storage size was 27 terabytes - which is five times the size of South Wales Police systems in storage capacity."Not all of it was illegal material, but if you need 27 terabytes then you're clearly into that kind of world."
Detective Chief Inspector Peter Doyle, who led the investigation, said: "Watkins' data storage size was 27 terabytes - which is five times the size of South Wales Police systems in storage capacity.
"Not all of it was illegal material, but if you need 27 terabytes then you're clearly into that kind of world."
― karajan up the khyber (NickB), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:12 (ten years ago) link
Hmm, that could be a heck of a lot of mp3 files...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link
Seems like a musician might have a lot of uncompressed audio files of his own recordings, plus backups, which would need a lot of storage, right? Seems weird for the police to draw the conclusion that multi-terabytes of storage equals involvement in 'that kind of world'.
― bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:26 (ten years ago) link
this judge certainly isn't megaloling
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:26 (ten years ago) link
xpost - Unless it’s 27 terrabytes of pornographic material and the distinction is being made between the stuff that’s legal and the stuff that isn’t? In which case yah, I can see how 27 TBs of porn could be seen as a wee bit dodge tbh.
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link
you know what they say about 'big data'
― tpp, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:35 (ten years ago) link
29 years
― karajan up the khyber (NickB), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:38 (ten years ago) link
Mother A = 14 yearsMother B = 17 years
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:39 (ten years ago) link
correction: 35 years for Watkins
― karajan up the khyber (NickB), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:40 (ten years ago) link
Serve 20 before release, that extra 6 years is just a licence period
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:43 (ten years ago) link
Meanwhile, Twitter's automated "related searches" on Ian Watkins names the other defendants.
― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:44 (ten years ago) link
jail Twitter imo
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
His defence lawyer is a woman member of civilized society. Imagine having to take that case.
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, you'd think that it'd be pretty distressing to have to read all the statements and case papers on this. fuck.
― Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
Uncompressed 24-bit 96KHz stereo audio takes up 2GB per hour, which means he could store 13,500 hours of it on his 27 terabyte drives.
Even allowing for using 100 stereo tracks of audio per song (haha) and assuming each song was five minutes long, that means he still would've had space for 1,620 songs - about three times as many as Dylan's ever written.
Don't think he's gonna be releasing any of those tracks anytime soon though.
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link
this is assuming that those 27 TB are anywhere near full god why am i even
― napgenius (goole), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:02 (ten years ago) link
South Wales police have around $150 worth of storage. great job.
― zanarkand bozo (abanana), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:08 (ten years ago) link
Good luck anyone on Twitter with the misfortune to have the same name as either of the co-defendants. That's going to get nasty.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:09 (ten years ago) link
@AVB
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:10 (ten years ago) link
jesus christ i assumed "megalolz" was some twat commenting on the case not a thing he actually said after his conviction
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link
he still would've had space for 1,620 songs - about three times as many as Dylan's ever written.
And about a fifth of what Robert Pollard's written
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link
also, so immensely depressing that the ex-gf who reported him again and again wasn't believed. wonder how much of that was because she's a former sex worker
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:20 (ten years ago) link
and room for 3/4 of dream theaters guitar solos
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:20 (ten years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/IanWatkinsSupporters
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
Judge's summing up is at http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-watkins-and-others.pdf but seriously do not read it.
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link
How stupid would you need to be to Like anything on that page? Christ.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link
Fuck me.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
Having made the mistake of not heeding EK's advice, seriously seriously do not read the summing up.
― Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:54 (ten years ago) link
gave up reading by page 5.
― mark e, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i'm good thanks
― karajan up the khyber (NickB), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
the real story here is how the South Wales Police system uses only 5 TB total, that's the size of the HD of a kid who wants to download all the eps of South Park in 1080p
― musically, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link
He was emphatic as he was growing up through his teenage years that he would never drink, never do drugs. That’s what he told us.
‘Whether that was to reassure us as parents, I don’t know. But obviously something went wrong in later years. I think it coincided with being in the American scene.
‘He started giving interviews and there were concerns that perhaps he was just trying to shock, or create an impression or trying to push boundaries to reinvent himself and the band.’
Watkins’ younger brother Daniel, 24, added: ‘They were all teetotal. We have no idea what happened. That was when they decided to base themselves in LA, which is obviously a totally different culture to the South Wales valleys.’
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Thursday, 19 December 2013 00:02 (ten years ago) link
Got to page 7 of the report. Pretty fucking far from megalolz
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:03 (ten years ago) link
the judge claims that the children involved will inevitably find out what happened to them as adults even though they will be living with foster parents etc.....like surely there are means available to conceal their identities so that doesn't happen
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:10 (ten years ago) link
i wd imagine that there will still be the possibility of some kind of contact, at some point, with their birth parents
also i think there are ethical questions about deliberately withholding that kind of information from people as they become adults
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:19 (ten years ago) link