idk there are dudes who have non-pompadour affectations, like getting swole and having youtubes about it
― mh, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:15 (ten years ago) link
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@RcmndedListen No, but I am a cancer to people who use music to draw an audience to sell shoes to.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:18 (ten years ago) link
i don't think he knows how cancers work
or maybe he just meant the crab
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:19 (ten years ago) link
CANCER...
― Skatalite of Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:29 (ten years ago) link
rhythm is a dancer
― mh, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:43 (ten years ago) link
his bit about how you don't have to deal with the advertising venture capital world thanks to twitter and tumblr reminds me of the various glenn beck speeches railing against socialism that include a part where he goes to the library.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:49 (ten years ago) link
he adorably missed the part where tumblr was sold to yahoo for a billion dollars
― my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
Fucking venture capitalists, demanding a ROI on everything
Post your content to Twitter instead. They're clean
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:06 (ten years ago) link
s1ocki otm, there's no voice as impassioned and offbase as from someone whose god failed them
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:25 (ten years ago) link
you don't have to deal with advertising venture capital because kickstarter or w/e will fund your sugar ray cruise
― mh, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:28 (ten years ago) link
I have no idea what post this is on or whose pal I am (I have literally never spoken to or chatted with Jake in my life), but if most of the blame for a systemic problem sustained by ad execs, CEOs and venture capitalists is placed on mostly beginning-to-mid-career female writers, and when their male writer counterparts are criticized only in terms of being pals with and/or wanting to sleep with said female writers (this isn't hyperbole, I'm pretty sure I remember a post saying some male writer was "just looking for a handjob") -- then yes, I'm going to make a wild guess and call that sexist
― katherine, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:41 (ten years ago) link
also, less from the "sexist" category and more from the "what the fuck is wrong with you," apparently said comments section goes and calls this one 19-year-old girl (who lives nowhere near Bushwick) a "dumb fuck" for asking what was going on and whether she should be discouraged from writing because of it, A+ everybody, fantastic work
― katherine, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:18 (ten years ago) link
what post is this i didn't see the link in the thread?
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:34 (ten years ago) link
http://www.collapseboard.com/everett-true/christopher-j-ott-the-other-guvner/
― katherine, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:34 (ten years ago) link
Frustrating to see a not-always-bad-writer-in-his-time Suddenly After Years Of Playing The Game become aware of systemic culture problems like he didn't have a sentient friend to lend him an Adorno text in his early 20s and then in typical white man's burden steez start blaming the people on the lowest rung whilst celebrating his own ""enlightened"" stance, yo guys I got a job, but I am a cancer Ott OTM
― fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:54 (ten years ago) link
If guy wants to get ahead of the curve on "music actually sucks" discussions, guy should hang out with musicians one time
― fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:59 (ten years ago) link
old man grumbles about pop, internet destroyed
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:59 (ten years ago) link
Totally
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:04 (ten years ago) link
Tom, delete youtube now.
― Skatalite of Dub (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:05 (ten years ago) link
personally I'm still stuck on "frustrating to see that all of this has resulted in calling a 19-year-old girl who writes on her own blog a 'dumb fuck'". this isn't about "not liking critics attacking other critics," this is about the fact that this entire godforsaken thing has now devolved into straight-up bullying of teenage writers with blogs by grown-ass industry men at least in their thirties. (also, for what it's worth, bullying teenage *female* writers.)
― katherine, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:06 (ten years ago) link
wow at that link.
of the reasons to not be a music critic, dealing with those discussions has gotta number among them.
also i'm really impressed by how far he's taking the "discover the network" grassy knoll stuff:
"There is no way to confirm the direct involvement of rumored silent partner Marc Geiger of WME, but he is publicly on record as being Pitchfork’s agent for a number of years now. He is publicly on record as a board member of TopspinMedia, which shares venture capital advisement with Redpoint, a venture capital firm that financed SpinMedia (SPIN). He is further part of a succession of UCSD music directors and San Diego-area promoters along with Bill Silva and Larry Weintraub who are using music as an inroad to corral youth attention and sell it to marketers."
the elders of zion have gotta fit in somewhere around here, right?
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:08 (ten years ago) link
say what you will about Ott's stuff, at least it's an ethos - having read through that Collapse Board thread I've come out with absolutely no idea what point Everett True is trying to make.
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:22 (ten years ago) link
So Chris Ott = Nazism
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:26 (ten years ago) link
a+ invocation of godwin can we please be finished with this now
― katherine, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:29 (ten years ago) link
(that wasn't a diss on you, more "oh thank god, godwin's law achieved, that might mean this is over soon"
― katherine, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:30 (ten years ago) link
Actually, I was spelling out what I thought was a Big Lebowski reference but sure, I'll take any reason to be done with this.
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:30 (ten years ago) link
Wtf is collapse board lol there's a link on that page that's an open letter to whiney about haim
― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:32 (ten years ago) link
iirc in both the ott post and the whiney one true acknowledges removing expletives after posting, wonder how often he has to do that
― da croupier, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:35 (ten years ago) link
why would music and music media be the one business without a back of house
― napgenius (goole), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 06:09 (ten years ago) link
Never ever even SLIGHTLY joke about the possibility of us collaborating on anything.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, December 3, 2013 3:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that explains Ned, let's talk about your 136 Albums of the 90s.
― zanarkand bozo (abanana), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 06:17 (ten years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FkGU74aX1iY/TaZsILcd45I/AAAAAAAABPA/ATwPPKv69dE/s320/BarbraStreisandMemories.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 06:28 (ten years ago) link
User Profile: Murgatroid
― buzza, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 07:04 (ten years ago) link
You called?
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 07:11 (ten years ago) link
Around 4.20 I was laughing so hard.
hey we've all been there
― screaming lord, such opinion (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 10:11 (ten years ago) link
katherine sure takes writing about music SERIOUSLY doesn't she.
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 10:16 (ten years ago) link
or sexism. why don't you tell us what you think we should take seriously?
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 10:35 (ten years ago) link
yeah Haimgate was the first time i'd even heard of Collapse Board. the Ott post refers to discussion on the Collapse Board facebook group, which i guess means that Collapse Board is not a message board but some kind of poorly named publication, and there's actually a Collapse Board board?
― deez the season (some dude), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:05 (ten years ago) link
i skimmed this thread my lord, do not chastise me, I skimmed it.
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:08 (ten years ago) link
i don't know what DY is attempting to do with that initial post, but i did want to delurk to say i'm appreciating katherine's contributions itt
― reddening, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:11 (ten years ago) link
i do too.
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:14 (ten years ago) link
better that than being so terrified of earnestness that you can only respond with a rote sneer
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:18 (ten years ago) link
it's probably why katherine's one of the best music writers around right now, too. u should aspire to that
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:19 (ten years ago) link
kinda laughable that this guy who submits his reviews to ilx threads for feedback is jeering at writers for taking writing seriously on other threads.
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:21 (ten years ago) link
haha i thought the exact same thing
― deez the season (some dude), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:22 (ten years ago) link
see ya.
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:23 (ten years ago) link
Scott Creney has Ott's back on the Collapseboard thread. They should form the Justice League of Self-Aggrandising Belligerent Dudes.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 12:09 (ten years ago) link
Scott Creney is the worst.
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 12:10 (ten years ago) link
Seems essential to me that if you're going to tell all the other, employable music writers that they're doing it wrong then your own writing should be dynamite. Otherwise, pthrrrrt.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 12:13 (ten years ago) link
yeah...the way Creosote keeps contrasting the problems of the current landscape with 'the way things used to be done and SHOULD be done' is a sly way of making his contributions to the business seem more significant than they actually were. it's right out of the Bob Lefsetz playbook.
― deez the season (some dude), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link