Never ever even SLIGHTLY joke about the possibility of us collaborating on anything.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, December 3, 2013 3:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that explains Ned, let's talk about your 136 Albums of the 90s.
― zanarkand bozo (abanana), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 06:17 (ten years ago) link
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― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 06:28 (ten years ago) link
User Profile: Murgatroid
― buzza, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 07:04 (ten years ago) link
You called?
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 07:11 (ten years ago) link
Around 4.20 I was laughing so hard.
hey we've all been there
― screaming lord, such opinion (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 10:11 (ten years ago) link
katherine sure takes writing about music SERIOUSLY doesn't she.
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 10:16 (ten years ago) link
or sexism. why don't you tell us what you think we should take seriously?
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 10:35 (ten years ago) link
yeah Haimgate was the first time i'd even heard of Collapse Board. the Ott post refers to discussion on the Collapse Board facebook group, which i guess means that Collapse Board is not a message board but some kind of poorly named publication, and there's actually a Collapse Board board?
― deez the season (some dude), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:05 (ten years ago) link
i skimmed this thread my lord, do not chastise me, I skimmed it.
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:08 (ten years ago) link
i don't know what DY is attempting to do with that initial post, but i did want to delurk to say i'm appreciating katherine's contributions itt
― reddening, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:11 (ten years ago) link
i do too.
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:14 (ten years ago) link
better that than being so terrified of earnestness that you can only respond with a rote sneer
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:18 (ten years ago) link
it's probably why katherine's one of the best music writers around right now, too. u should aspire to that
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:19 (ten years ago) link
kinda laughable that this guy who submits his reviews to ilx threads for feedback is jeering at writers for taking writing seriously on other threads.
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:21 (ten years ago) link
haha i thought the exact same thing
― deez the season (some dude), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:22 (ten years ago) link
see ya.
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 11:23 (ten years ago) link
Scott Creney has Ott's back on the Collapseboard thread. They should form the Justice League of Self-Aggrandising Belligerent Dudes.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 12:09 (ten years ago) link
Scott Creney is the worst.
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 12:10 (ten years ago) link
Seems essential to me that if you're going to tell all the other, employable music writers that they're doing it wrong then your own writing should be dynamite. Otherwise, pthrrrrt.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 12:13 (ten years ago) link
yeah...the way Creosote keeps contrasting the problems of the current landscape with 'the way things used to be done and SHOULD be done' is a sly way of making his contributions to the business seem more significant than they actually were. it's right out of the Bob Lefsetz playbook.
― deez the season (some dude), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link
I never found out what this amazing move taht was going to mean that readership of Pitchfork eclipsed taht of Spin & Rolling Stone combined was. Unless it was the move over to covering non-indie divas that I read about by coincidence in another thread. But I'm not sure what the timescale there was & it sounded like people who had been reading Pitchfork might actually drop it for doing so anyway.
What was this amazing coup and how well did it work. I'm not sure if Pitchfork is a household world r if it only appeals to music geeks anyway. also not getting what the story is with Ott and them was there a parting of the ways & who called it & for what reason?
Nice to see that the great self-described Legend has teamed up with Ott in an attempt to stand up for the right of whatever. Not been a big fan of Jerry, is that ever? Or was he the sole reason that Sub Pop types broke through, I mean no Everett no Nirvana or Hole omigod etc. That the guy went from peddling indie twee to the oh so rugged sound of Minneapolis always did stick in the craw rather didn't it?
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 13:58 (ten years ago) link
Sorry should have maybe said that Everett True = The Legend = (non pseudonym )Jerry Thackeray (mere pseud?). who single handedly invented Sarah Twee pop, grunge and all points thereafter didn't he?
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:06 (ten years ago) link
feeling kind of wistful now that ATP is over, picturing the finale concert when ILX finally shuts down, naughty by nature getting the last song, a remake of OPP, ott nodding on stage between treach and vin rock, even the most flagrant otter-haters in the audience, like queen latifah in the original video, grinning sheepishly about being down with OTT when it gets down to it. chris ott hooray, ho, hey, ho!
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:09 (ten years ago) link
guys i'm sorry i lost my critic trading cards--can someone tell me who the fuck everett true is?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:12 (ten years ago) link
I think he's a Legend that got fired from the NME back before it became quite as bad as it did later.
Think he helped push a wheelchair bound Kurt Cobain onstage at Reading or something too.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:16 (ten years ago) link
big shaker in late-80s Melody Maker, introduced Cobain to Courtney, was the dude Sub Pop paid for to fly over and do a feature on Seattle in MM, which arguably led to the ~alternative revolution~ of the early-mid '90s, later did Careless Talk Costs Lives, now lives in Brisbane and whinges on the internet
also had early singles on Creation
― giant faps are what you take, wanking on the moon (sic), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:17 (ten years ago) link
thanking u. at least he sounds like he once had a career worth being bitter about.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link
In the good ol' days what sources of revenue did music magazines like MM or NME or w/e have besides advertising and reader subscriptions
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:23 (ten years ago) link
newstand?
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link
the inkies shifted hundreds of thousands of copies a week in the 1970s
Incidentally I just discovered taht Everett True was actually initially a supposedly every-man comic character who debuted in the early 230th century and had been revived for a comics catalogue the year taht Jerry Thackray was fired from the NME and thought the Legend penname was too attached to taht publication.https://www.google.ie/search?q=outbursts+of+everett+true&rlz=1C1DVCJ_enIE452IE454&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=AjifUqSeKOSw7AauloHwDQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=652#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=tk0WOa6-6yjk4M%3A%3Bt86NMCBkKZkyAM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%252F2595%252F4177895834_e3a128930f_o.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fovo127.com%252F2010%252F09%252F10%252Fa-d-condo-and-j-w-raper-the-outbursts-of-everett-true-38%252F%3B404%3B800is several of the comic strips featuring him.
I can't be awake yetor I'd know that the town that everybody loves in the title of the oral history on grunge is Seattle not Minneapolis. Can't think why I'd confuse the two.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link
& also might be able to type 20th instead of 230th.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
your posts appear to be the ravings of a lunatic whose band received a poor review from ET in the 1980s. if your intention is to make him look bad you're really not succeeding.
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link
i'm appreciating katherine's contributions itt
― reddening, Wednesday, December 4, 2013 3:11 AM (3 hours ago)
me too, if nothing else
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:33 (ten years ago) link
me too
also i don't remember but i probably made some great posts
― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 14:50 (ten years ago) link
i was happy to find out katherine was KATHERINE katherine
― tuostprophets (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 15:14 (ten years ago) link
cant tell if collapse board is sadder than sportsjournalists.com or if theyre both equally sad
― max, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 15:22 (ten years ago) link
FWIW, Jerry/ET posted here back in the early days and the only reason I have a vague kind of writing profile in the UK music press is due to writing in Careless Talk Costs Lives and its successors, and now The Quietus. So I'll still thank him for that!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link
He was a good writer and a vibrant figure for a long time, and totally deserves respect for ploughing new furrows over and over.
― giant faps are what you take, wanking on the moon (sic), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 15:34 (ten years ago) link
man i feel bad that i don't know who katherine is
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 17:23 (ten years ago) link
gave up and posted on that comments section so
― katherine, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link
I love katherine's posts but have never figured out if she is a) the first victim of the Maura's infamous Fancy A Bout Of Alcohol Poisoning karaoke night b) a friend of bell_labs I once had drinks with or c) somebody else entirely
― fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link
whoa, irl just crept into my ilx
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
ilx is well known for irl creeps
― bnw, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:31 (ten years ago) link
as for taking this seriously feel free to replace all text with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHXgdtiFRNY
― katherine, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
A nasty hangover today and I was thinking "I haven't felt this bad since
xp perfect
― fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
whoa xp
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:33 (ten years ago) link
great responses katherine, both here and on collapseboard
― fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:38 (ten years ago) link
yeah, great stuff katherine
amazing how infuriating this is, considering the stakes.
― napgenius (goole), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
http://tinyurl.com/pztmnkbis several pages with the Outbursts of Everett True comic strip that Jerry Thackray named himself after. Hadn't known the source of the name until earlier today when I posted this with a longer URL.Apparently the character had been revived in a comic catalogue earlier in the year that the once Legend had been fired from the NME and thought the pen-name too associated with that publication.
Interesting strip, possibly a bit dated but it is from the early years of the 20th century. I think it debuted in 1905.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link