Pitchfork's Chris Ott takes No Prisoners

i have successfully avoided everything about this for several days, but something compelled me to click on the video today, and i had to stop at "the ceo of complex media, he lives in an almost million dollar apartment in turtle bay."

that's like complaining that "the editor of my website, he spent almost five dollars on a beer."

the CEO of Shallow Rewards, Inc. doesn't live so lavishly, i'll have you know. he won't even take a vacation on a cruise line unless he can get somebody else to foot the bill.

today's historic inequality doesn't at all impact music/criticism imho. and even if it does, it's boring and not worth talking about, because it's not like there've ever been any songs about social justice

it's germane to Ott's claims that are at the root of this discussion, but i won't say that's "worth talking about" itself really, so point taken

Take a poorly composed potshot at Cop Shoot Cop and pay the price.

Ott Shoot Ott

noooooooo

sorry

xp to Sarahell. It depends what you mean by music journalism. Sure, album reviews and thinkpieces can easily be done in your spare time but anything that involves reporting can't. I don't want to read nothing but opinion pieces and that's what you get if anyone has to work for free.

Angry Ott is angry.

https://twitter.com/shallowrewards/status/441615906679291904

is he angry because a woman is making music, or because a woman is writing about it, this time?

both obv, although not in the tweet Ned linked, just this one

https://twitter.com/shallowrewards/status/441301111207505920

apparently he's mad at ilx c---s

this guy is so pathetic and sad

it's kind of awesome to watch someone completely bury themselves so publicly imo. a few years ago he still had a vague air of legitimacy to people who hadn't seen his ILM antics, twitter is so magical.

it's hilarious that he won't type cunt

why won't he type cunt

κ↑ℵζ φ∩ς⌊Ξ ‏@shallowrewards 53m
.@natepatrin Subscribing to outmoded definitions of information legitimacy and hierarchy also comes to mind.

κ↑ℵζ φ∩ς⌊Ξ ‏@shallowrewards 53m
@natepatrin You will never be more than that to me.

^^^ shit got real

Does he respond to everything by singing the Malcolm in the Middle theme song? Sure seems like it.

why are we bumping this thread tho

what all is on the master list of subjects that require ott's input

well, we do subscribe to outmoded definitions of info legitimacy, lex

good idea. i say we get in any closing comments we have by 1pm EST and then let the thread go dormant again. (xp)

^^^ shit got real

there is nothing real about this shit whatsoever

it's kind of awesome to watch someone completely bury themselves so publicly imo

i think he's only increasing his brand/worth with this stuff

cool

is c---s a type of furry? if not Ott whiffed at a massive opportunity in this twatbeef imho.

ott beefs are really fun, i hope this blows up more

the guy is super entertaining however much of an asshole he is

i approve

kind of hard to follow tho-- did Ott coin "Night Bus"?

no but i think he put together a series of mixtapes based on the themes patrin talks about in his paper?

sorry, just still getting this straight, Ott is mad that he wasn't interviewed by Nate Patrin about some mixtapes he made a few years ago?

dude must have some heavy duty google alerts set up to find shit that obscure to get cheesed about

can we change this thread title to Chris Ott gets Cheesed

you better interview me about it if you do!

better yet get Nate Patrin to interview me about it... OR ELSE you ILXOR CUNTS

Hipinion invented night bus, thought out its tenets, and made mixtapes, all of which Ott was crucial in. It didn't have a fraction of the legs as "seapunk" and didn't make any actual waves beyond being half-jokingly referenced in a few e-zine interviews with Tumblr-core musicians.

Nate Patrin is basically doing an academic paper on a message board thread.

This Night Bus mixtape by Hipinion poster CFCF has 6 Facebook Likes: https://www.thefader.com/2011/11/01/cfcf-night-bus-ii-mix-mp3/

Hipinion invented night bus, thought out its tenets

http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/mnmusicfan_1332456363_John-Goodman_.png

"I mean, say what you will about the tenants of Night Bus, Dude, at least it was an ethos!"

People were allowed to have legit meltdowns on here when someone suggested turning ILX into a book, but Ott basically gets a message board thread hijacked and you guys are pointing and laughing?

for shame, people.

not cool

hahha

later guys, just got my advance for my book about "New Jersey"s

it's hilarious that he won't type cunt

why won't he type cunt

he was typing "coyote" actually

late to this whole thang, but just a query about clarification: did Ott himself coin the genre term? was he the poster who turned a Burial song title into a genre? If so, then Patrin ought to at last acknowledge and cite that fact in his talk, though he's under no obligation to do so in an abstract of a conference paper (abstracts are always general summaries and often short on details, it's the nature of the format). The language of "stake-holding" seem kinda jacked up and over-stated here. Critics trying to "own" genres seems weirdly secondary anyway (just imagine how presumptuous the "stake holding" assertion would sound to your ears if you were, say, Burial).

it's not a real genre, though!

This isn't like "post-rock" or even "chillwave." This is about the contents of something that barely left a single message board thread

the second night bus mixtape was pretty cool

had no idea it started as an ilx thread though

i have been to several "night bus" club nights!

i mean, ott demanding stakeholder status is super dumb, but he wouldn't even have to pull that card if someone didn't do the EVEN DUMBER thing of turning his series of message board mixtapes into an academic paper to be read at a rock museum

this will be a stain on this comically-designed rock museum's honour for all time