even the prose is a set of terrible Berninger lyrics.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link
I can't get a read on Pitchfork's indie debt to its readership anymore, but I hope neither of those albums land in their to 20.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link
Arcade Fire will be top ten for sure (I mean, it got 9.2 come on), the other one I have no idea.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:06 (ten years ago) link
Pro tip for metal bands: If you want critical love, clean vocals, melodies, and memorable choruses are right fucking out.
you guys sound like a cross between johnny fever & geir (no offence to jf intended)
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:08 (ten years ago) link
lol, when I get paired with Geir there is offense, intended or not.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:09 (ten years ago) link
the trilogy (Daft Punk, National, Arcade Fire) will be in PFM's top fifteen.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:09 (ten years ago) link
hahaha
I just meant you do state that kinda thing about metal a lot and its why you went off it years ago
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link
Kinda why im doing a rock/metal tracks poll for the 1st time. To prove it does still encompass that and it doesnt have to be just the Revolver type um 'mainstream' metal that does it.
Clean vox and singing have come back into the underground the past few years and got critical love. Uncle Acid/Ghost/In Solitude/Cauldron/The Devils Blood/Blood Ceremony and so on. Even Electric Wizard and Moss do it now! (and are still sounding great)
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:13 (ten years ago) link
if anyones interested here's a playlist http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/5h0uxOzYvaafpBbe6Sve2J
Plenty there non-metal fans would like I think.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:14 (ten years ago) link
give it a go jf and do let us know what you think (on the poll thread so not to annoy people here)
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:15 (ten years ago) link
Texan-British Brooklyn transplant Devonté Hynes hasn't made the richest sounding R&B album of the year working under his new moniker Blood Orange — that accolade might go to the multi-million dollar, sonically-intimidating Random Access Memories by Daft Punk.
― i am curious #yolo (wins), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:17 (ten years ago) link
hahaha what
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:21 (ten years ago) link
Clean vox and singing have come back into the underground the past few years and got critical love.
My own list has quite a bit of that, fwiw (culled from albums actually streamable on Rhapsody; I just posted a list on the metal thread of non-Rhapsodyable albums that would've also been in the running):
http://www.rhapsody.com/blog/post/top-25-metal-of-2013
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:24 (ten years ago) link
xp you heard it here first!
― i am curious #yolo (wins), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link
hey chuck please nominate that stuff on the eoy metal poll!
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link
and um what? re daft punk
Stupid end of year accolade comments make me want to cry, but I would prefer if it was over the dead bodies of all these idiots.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link
Texan-British Brooklyn transplant Devonté Hynes hasn't made the richest sounding R&B album of the year working under his new moniker Blood Orange
if the sentence had ended there it would've been ok
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:33 (ten years ago) link
metal and emo people who refer to singing-not-screaming as "clean vocals" are the funniest thing in the world to me. there are some screamo bands that put "unclean vocals" in the liner notes.
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:33 (ten years ago) link
the ka album is extremely admirable, extremely well-crafted and smart etc, i think if you were into that kind of rap you'd adore it but it's mostly "admire" for me, and i can see why some would get bored
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
That a former member of Test Icicles is almost inevitably going to end up on one genuine A-List pop star's next album, despite being manifestly untalented, is one of the more unbelievable musical trajectories I've ever seen.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
Man I'm not a big fan at all of Dev Hynes, but I feel like "manifestly untalented" is a little bit incorrect.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:42 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, he has a "thing" he does and it's an identifiable thing and some people like it and some people (very much) don't like it, but that doesn't mean he's manifestly untalented.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:53 (ten years ago) link
metal and emo people who refer to singing-not-screaming as "clean vocals" are the funniest thing in the world to me. there are some screamo bands that put "unclean vocals" in the liner notes.― some dude,
― some dude,
havent seen any of the latter re 'unclean vocals'(mainly as i dont listen to metalcore) but I do not remember when this 'clean vocals' thing started to get used. Is it a recent as in past 10 years thing? I dont remember it being used in the 90s.
Considering half of the bands who do 'clean vox' to sell more records CANNOT ACTUALLY SING maybe its a better term than just 'singing'
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:57 (ten years ago) link
lex so good on floorplan upthread -
the music's like a suit and you have to move in certain ways to put it on
this is one of the most pleasingly accurate & memorable descriptions of dancing i can recall
― ogmor, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 23:24 (ten years ago) link
xp I think Hynes' songwriting is lazy verging on inert - everything's on one level - but he has a distinctive production style and he's rebooted the careers of two singers who were stuck in major-label limbo so that's talent of sorts.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 23:27 (ten years ago) link
his production style is basically romanticisation of inertia and torpor as well, barf
whose careers has he rebooted? mutya keisha siobhan didn't exactly do well out of him, solange was less commercially successful than before and has now split with him (YAY maybe she can be great again), sky ferreira admittedly finally broke through with his song but her album abandons both him and his style completely...?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 23:31 (ten years ago) link
and when i say sky ferreira broke through obv none of that involved selling records
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 December 2013 23:32 (ten years ago) link
Dude, Revolver has A Pale Horse Named Death, ASG, Black Sabbath, Volbeat, and STONE SOUR
Not too shabby. Decibel's list has surprising range this year too.
― A. Begrand, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 01:25 (ten years ago) link
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
honestly i'm not sure -- i feel like i've seen it more and more online the last few years, but i should be able to remember anecdotally if i've heard it (i played drums in a band circa 1999 with guys who were super into screamo and the frontman alternated singing and screaming) but i really don't remember if that terminology was thrown around back then.
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 01:33 (ten years ago) link
A Pale Horse Named Death
you would never know dude was in type o negativelol
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 01:33 (ten years ago) link
i do remember that the sellout paranoia was so strong with guys like that that anything too overtly melodic was often described as "poppy" in a mildly disgusted tone. also reminds me of the Brian Posehn metal parody, "THIS IS THE GAY PART WITH MELODY!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zySOKr9wqMw
xp
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 01:37 (ten years ago) link
A lot of kids definitely demand faster louder more extreme just like the thrash kids before them but the small rise in popularity of doom was sortve against that then everyone started trying to sound like Khanate for a few years but more trad/psych/stoner stuff has got popular again notto mention the whole shoegaze black/postmetal thing. Alcest are not even remotely metal now.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 01:41 (ten years ago) link
he's rebooted the careers of two singers
i think his work w/ solange and sky ferreira did far more for his own career than it did for theirs (saying this as a huge fan of "everything is embarrassing" who is well aware that that song opened up a whole new (skeptical) audience to her)
― dyl, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:16 (ten years ago) link
i dunno solange got her own label at sony off that EP
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:22 (ten years ago) link
i mean solange co-wrote and co-produced the entire thing (and is a dynamic live performer imo) so let's not give dev too much credit but that EP did finally solidify her image as indie rock's beyonce, which has been a boon to her career from what i can tell
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link
33. Maurice Deebank – Inner Thought Zone (1972 Records)
^ this from the FACT list is sounding really cool.. instrumental guitar, sort of durutti column-ish or ducktails-ish.
― ☞ (brimstead), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:32 (ten years ago) link
FACT reissue list, i mean.
― ☞ (brimstead), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link
Surprised there has been no mention of Wildewoman on ILM while she already ranked on two major (perhaps not?) EOY lists, Paste and NPR.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:51 (ten years ago) link
Ah yes, there is some stuff in the Rolling Indie 2013.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 03:53 (ten years ago) link
Here is that PopMatters Albums list:
75. Thee Oh Sees - Floating Coffin74. The Uncluded - Hokey Fight73. Chelsea Wolfe - Pain is Beauty72. Boards of Canada - Tomorrow's Harvest71. Josh Ritter - The Beast in Its Tracks70. The Flaming Lips - The Terror69. Jagwar Ma - Howlin'68. John Grant - Pale Green Ghosts67. Washed Out - Paracosm66. Superchunk - I Hate Music65. The Icarus Line - Slave Vows64. Studio Killers - Studio Killers63. Lorde - Pure Heroine62. The Haxan Cloak - Excavation61. Justin Timberlake - The 20/20 Experience (Part 1)60. Icona Pop - This Is . . . Icona Pop59. In Solitude - Sister58. Paramore - Paramore57. Suede - Bloodsports56. Popstrangers - Antipodes55. London Grammar - If You Wait54. Russian Circles - Memorial53. Baths - Obsidian52. Caitlin Rose - The Stand-In51. Mount Moriah - Miracle Temple50. SubRosa - More Constant Than the Gods49. Los Campesinos! - No Blues48. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP247. David Bowie - The Next Day46. King Krule - 6 Feet Beneath the Moon45. Speedy Ortis - Major Arcana44. James Blake - Overgrown43. Run the Jewels (Killer Mike and El-P) - Run the Jewels42. Julia Holter - Loud City Song41. Alice Smith - She40. Waxahatchee - Cerulean Salt39. Deafheaven - Sunbather38. Rhye - Woman37. Jon Hopkins - Immunity36. Mikal Cronin - MCII35. The Head and the Heart - Let's Be Still34. Pusha T - My Name is My Name33. The Lone Bellow - The Lone Bellow32. Laura Marling - Once I Was An Eagle31. Eleanor Friedberger - Personal Record30. The Devil Makes Three - I'm a Stranger Here29. OMD - English Electric28. Arctic Monkeys - AM27. Queens of the Stone Age - Like Clockwork26. Ashley Monroe - Like a Rose25. Palma Violets - 18024. Tegan and Sara - Heartthrob23. Bastille - Bad Blood22. Chance the Rapper - Acid Rap21. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Push the Sky Away20. Okkervil River - The Silver Gymnasium19. Arcade Fire - Reflektor18. Phosphorescent - Muchacho17. Autre Ne Veut - Anxiety16. Savages - Silence Yourself15. John Wizards - John Wizards14. Tim Hecker - Virgins13. Kacey Musgraves - Same Trailer, Different Park12. The National - Trouble Will Find Me11. Janelle Monae - The Electric Lady10. My Bloody Valentine - MBV9. Haim - Days Are Gone8. Chvrches - The Bones of What You Believe7. Daft Punk - Random Access Memories6. Kanye West - Yeezus5. Jason Isbell - Southeastern4. Disclosure - Settle3. The Knife - Shaking the Habitual2. Neko Case - The Worse Thing Get, The Harder I Fight, The Harder I Fight, The More I Love You1. Vampire Weekend - Modern Vampires of the City
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 05:35 (ten years ago) link
"Dance Of Deliverance" appeared on the Felt greatest hits comp "Absolute Classic Masterpieces", it's a great track, good album!
― fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:54 (ten years ago) link
I usually roll my eyes at The Quietus but that Grumbling Fur album they voted at #1 is really good. Kinda like if Delia & Gavin made a psychedelic rock album.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:58 AM (Yesterday)
Whoa, would not have taken the time if not for that description, Matt; cheers.
― etc, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 07:49 (ten years ago) link
xp Yeah, I don't want to take anything away from Solange there. It's more down to her than Hynes but he facilitated her repositioning. Seems obtsue to deny that Losing You and Everything Is Embarrassing helped those singers find a new audience and confidence after years of label bullshit. Personally I've heard enough from him but that's not the point.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 10:07 (ten years ago) link
solange was already positioned as Indie Knowles well before her work with hynes (like, to the extent that it's been her nickname on pop messageboards for years). that was the entire narrative around her previous album (regardless of it not being that accurate w/r/t the music) and since then she'd been cultivating her indie-friendliness assiduously. their brands aligned rather than he did anything to redefine hers.
"everything is embarrassing" was the first sky ferreira song that clicked with anyone but it wasn't exactly a big hit, and now just seems like a superior example of the years of pissing-around-on-a-major-label-budget she did before actually finding her voice/confidence with the new album.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 10:22 (ten years ago) link
Lex, I interviewed Solange so this is coming straight from her. The path from Sol-Angel to last year's EP was tough - remember Fuck the Industry? - and meeting Hynes was the turning point.
I was trying out a lot of producers in the hope that one would fit. Dev wasn’t actually part of the original cast. I was working with three other producers. He was the second to last producer who came down but it became evident to me that chemistry-wise there was something really special there.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 10:26 (ten years ago) link
well yeah, alignment. but he didn't help change or redefine her. i interviewed her circa sol-angel and she was pretty emphatic then about aligning herself with alternative culture (lots of talking about wanting to be the black björk iirc)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 10:30 (ten years ago) link
Well we'll never know if she'd have got the audience she got at Glastonbury, for example, if her comeback hadn't been Losing You so it's a moot point but that song was the reason most people were there, even though it's inferior imo to Sandcastle Disco. Alignment matters - it's not about whether she needed him to introduce her to alternative culture (she didn't), it's about finding the right song to introduce alternative culture to her.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 10:34 (ten years ago) link
'losing you' was still way better than her differently-but-equally twee pre-dev cobblers, however much it may not have warranted the adoration it received
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 10:52 (ten years ago) link
brass tacks she is just not a strong artist basically
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 10:53 (ten years ago) link