fucked up as this is i think it's better than the alternative i.e. secret adoption for which see e.g. Ireland over the last century
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:34 (ten years ago) link
there should be some sort of exception for cases like this so they can be registered as being of unknown parentage like kids who are found abandoned etc
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:34 (ten years ago) link
i think the right to know where you come from outweighs any attempt by well-meaning authorities to protect you from that information. fully accept that this is a really difficult call.
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:35 (ten years ago) link
the children's right to know that footage exists of them being subjected to an attempted rape with their birth parents as accomplices
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:38 (ten years ago) link
i think there's the right to know and there's the fact that this information would be life-destroying. i mean at a certain age yes they would ask (if they know.) and at what age would one be legally obligated to tell them if they ask?
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:39 (ten years ago) link
Why does the public crave this kind of shallow reassurance every time? It's some stranger's fault, he wasn't one of us, the rest of us are still normal, we're all safe again, all of which are just not true, but still have to be repeated constantly.
― StanM, Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:24 (14 minutes ago)
nb it is his family coming up with these excuses about him being 'corrupted' by fame etc, they at least have the mitigation of being in denial or traumatized or whatever
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:40 (ten years ago) link
al i think in the UK adoptees are legally informed at 18 if they haven't already been told.
nakh yeah the truth may be horrible but faced with a choice between 2 unknowables, i.e. how damaging it wd be to find out about the horrible shit that's been done to you in infancy vs how damaging it wd be to have the facts of your birth obscured and hidden from you, my instinct is to go with the choice that doesn't involve systematic deception.
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link
especially since the systematic deception route would entail the very real possibility that at some point not only would the victim find out about the abuse, but would find out in a context that potentially alienated them from adoptive parents with whom they'd had a loving and nurturing relationship
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:46 (ten years ago) link
al i think in the UK adoptees are legally informed at 18 if they haven't already been told
not strictly true - adoptees have the right to access their birth certificates at 18 but aren't automatically informed. obv at some point in adulthood tho people usually need their birth documents.
read a bunch of interesting stuff about open and closed adoption systems. still believe that the system we have is the best of some terrible choices.
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 December 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link
There's also the issue of where the children's fathers are in this and how much they know. I'm assuming totally absent, but if they even know these children exist then it's potentially another complication in keeping it all totally secret.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 19 December 2013 11:53 (ten years ago) link
Having made the mistake of not heeding EK's advice, seriously seriously do not read the summing up.
― Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ Totally OTM. I actually, very literally threw up when I got four or fives pages in.
― zip-a-dee-doo-dah, motherfucker! (Turrican), Thursday, 19 December 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25447856
― zip-a-dee-doo-dah, motherfucker! (Turrican), Thursday, 19 December 2013 15:36 (ten years ago) link
Why did I read that? :-(
― All kinds of heinous things, Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
-- All kinds of heinous things
― decomposable heroes of hipleprosy (wins), Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link
It's worse than the Jerry Sandusky grand jury report, which is saying something.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2944300.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Ian-Watkins-tattoo-2944300.jpg
― Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:30 (ten years ago) link
holy shit
― stellar toum sauce (NickB), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:34 (ten years ago) link
did someone really get that photoshopped on to their leg?
no way that's real. It's just an attempt to get mentioned in a scummy tabloid
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:41 (ten years ago) link
Aye, I fucking hope not.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:41 (ten years ago) link
But, at the same time, part of me thinks we're at a point in culture where some fucknut, somewhere, will do any stupid and abhorrent thing you can imagine.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:42 (ten years ago) link
... just to get in a scummy tabloid
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:43 (ten years ago) link
And then someone else will get the fucknut's face tattooed on their leg?
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 20 December 2013 12:44 (ten years ago) link
wld be better if he'd used H from steps' face
― ogmor, Friday, 20 December 2013 12:45 (ten years ago) link
the lostprophets guy's face tattoed on to H from steps' face?
― stellar toum sauce (NickB), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:50 (ten years ago) link
Well I did nearly cite this whole case as proof. If some fucknut will rape a baby, some other fucknut will get the first fucknut's face painted permanently on their flesh.
― I can still taste the Taboo in my mouth when I hear those songs (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:55 (ten years ago) link
Pity Whitehouse have split, they could have got an album out of this
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:58 (ten years ago) link
its happened again to poor Hhttp://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/steps-star-ian-h-watkins-2945155
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb4jdDaIYAAGUKA.jpg
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 20 December 2013 13:00 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RleE--HDBiU
― PaulTMA, Friday, 20 December 2013 13:42 (ten years ago) link
nice. Whitehouse never glorified child abuse fyi
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 20 December 2013 13:49 (ten years ago) link
Lovely chaps
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 20 December 2013 13:50 (ten years ago) link
god dude don't you remember that "Don't Abuse Kiddies Mmmmmkay?" split 10"??
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 December 2013 13:51 (ten years ago) link
Whitehouse never glorified child abuse fyi
A photocopy from a magazine of child pornography was used as the cover of issue #2 of Pure which led to Sotos pleading guilty to possession of child pornography, receiving a suspended sentence.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 20 December 2013 13:59 (ten years ago) link
Anyway, ancient history aside, saying they could get an album out of this is hardly the same as saying they glorified child abuse, is it?
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 20 December 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link
he wasn't glorifying it tho, the same as he never glorified serial murder, misogyny, sexual violence, fascism etc
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 December 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link
Christ but he looks like dude from deadwood
Is there a chance watkins is father to either child, or are we not speculating for whatever reason or
― Our Deems, of the supposed "rapier" "wit" (darraghmac), Friday, 20 December 2013 14:02 (ten years ago) link
I think it's fairly clear he isn't
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 20 December 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link
Re the leg: one of those c4 documentaries had someone having had 'extreme tatoos' with scenes of rape, various etc.. So yeah I can believe it.
― Mark G, Saturday, 21 December 2013 09:23 (ten years ago) link
that pic was doing the rounds approx 24 hours after the relevant quote started getting reported so even if you assume that someone instantly leapt from their computer chair and sprinted to the nearest tattoo parlour I don't think it would have healed like that
the issue of the pixels can be tackled by someone else I'm sure
― wantaway strikers make money working from home (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 21 December 2013 11:03 (ten years ago) link
http://spoilertv.co.uk/images/cache/archived-old-shows/deadwood/season-1/cast-promotional-photos/s1-cast-silas-adams_595_slogo.jpg
― lorde othering (darraghmac), Saturday, 21 December 2013 13:35 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/AdiBQLW.jpg
― nate woolls, Saturday, 21 December 2013 15:46 (ten years ago) link
you can't not trust anyone these days
― wantaway strikers make money working from home (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 21 December 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link
i'm with you, no way that picture was a fresh tat
― the five people you meet in Hedon (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 December 2013 16:13 (ten years ago) link
Inking? That's a pre-draw, right?
― Mark G, Saturday, 21 December 2013 23:35 (ten years ago) link
sorry for paedo tat ;;^
― UK Cop Humour (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 22 December 2013 03:47 (ten years ago) link
He's going to have to cover it up until it's 16 years old.
― StanM, Sunday, 22 December 2013 07:32 (ten years ago) link
not sure where else to put thishttp://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2014/03/28/sunday-preview-du-pont-heir-stayed-prison/7016769/
Rich trust funder got probation for raping his 3 year old daughter. He also raped his infant son apparently.
― qwop zapatos (abanana), Monday, 31 March 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link
Tracy Richards, who confronted her then-husband, told police he admitted abusing his daughter but said "it was an accident and he would never do it again," the warrant said.
my gf is in DE right now and confirms that the place is absolutely & utterly fucked
― halber mensch halber keks (imago), Monday, 31 March 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
if andré villas-boas spent his entire payoff on coke and upscale restaurants he would probably look not unlike that in twelve years' time
― maxresdefault.jpg (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 March 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eleuth%C3%A8re_du_Pont
― maxresdefault.jpg (nakhchivan), Monday, 31 March 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link