http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/25/if-germans-won-first-world-war
― ferret is followed! (soref), Friday, 27 December 2013 07:20 (ten years ago) link
^^^worse than a thousand liveblogs of 'carry on dick'
― ferret is followed! (soref), Friday, 27 December 2013 07:25 (ten years ago) link
What if Dr. Dre had died in 1996 and Tupac Shakur was a soon-to-be Apple exec hawking overpriced headphones?
― Lee626, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 03:37 (ten years ago) link
What if Igor Stravinsky shocked the crowd at the 1913 Newport Folk Festival with his electrified version of "Le Sacre du Printemps"?
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 00:02 (ten years ago) link
What if Beethoven lost his sense of smell instead of hearing?
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 00:51 (ten years ago) link
irl lol
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 01:31 (ten years ago) link
what if Phil collins was gay?
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link
"In Too Deep" would have a whole other dimension.
― You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link
you're no son of mine
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 22:50 (ten years ago) link
heard 'love will tear us apart' in the supermarket the other day
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPBzmn8bcyk
― OutdoorFish, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
Ian Curtis rides a rollercoasterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvPIvoJkmGs
― gesticulating Pez dispenser (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link
I saw that yesterday but couldn't think the best thread to put it on. Good pick.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
What if the Red Hot Chili Peppers came from Grimsby instead of Hollywood?
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link
We were the butter kind
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 7 September 2016 22:22 (eight years ago) link
Posted on another thread?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/john-lydon-trump-brexit-nigel-farage-support-sex-pistols-singer-good-morning-britain-a7652981.html?cmpid=facebook-post
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 27 March 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link
it's funny that this is being treated like it's a news story when he's openly been a right-wing shithead for as long as i can remember
― bomb diggy diggy diggy bomb diggy bomb (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 March 2017 21:36 (seven years ago) link
It's like how people were Stoll looking to Bob Dylan to lead the revolution in 1982
― Mark G, Monday, 27 March 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link
as ian curtis is in the thread title: imagine what an insufferable bastard he would be if he were alive, considering that when he was in his early 20s he was a tory voter who didn't allow his wife to vote because she supported labour
― bomb diggy diggy diggy bomb diggy bomb (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 March 2017 22:01 (seven years ago) link
lol i didnt know that, damn
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 01:02 (seven years ago) link
thought this thread was revived re Lydon's Brexit comments
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 01:15 (seven years ago) link
as opposed to...?
― (±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 01:16 (seven years ago) link
this is weird because i distinctly remember skimming a magazine interview w/ lydon a few months back where he slammed trump and praised obama. strange guy.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 02:09 (seven years ago) link
Lydon's been making a fool of himself in one way or another for 35 years. (I should say I haven't read his books, which are supposed to be good.) But I'm with Marcus there (he's talking about some Sex Pistols reunion show specifically, but I'd extend it to pronouncements like Lydon's today):
"My attitude was these people did so much to make the world a more interesting place, that I don’t care if they go on every five years for the money: they deserve it. They can’t be repaid for what they did – that’s how I feel about it...If they’d all become bankers, or arms merchants or mercenaries in Iraq or something like that – those records would still be there and they would still be things in themselves. And the creators could not hurt them."
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 02:18 (seven years ago) link
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 27, 2017 9:15 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― (±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Monday, March 27, 2017
my bad: I missed the first post
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 02:29 (seven years ago) link
I don't remember the tory Curtis stuff. What's the source on that?
― gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:13 (seven years ago) link
It's in Touching from a Distance:
Ian ... voted Conservative as he always would do. He argued that as his wife I had to vote the same way, otherwise I would cancel his vote!
https://books.google.com/books?id=LmSwBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT52&dq=ian+curtis+conservative+touching+from+a+distance&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR65SYnvjSAhUD2yYKHd5_BjgQuwUIIzAB#v=onepage&q=ian%20curtis%20conservative%20touching%20from%20a%20distance&f=false
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:19 (seven years ago) link
He died at 23. There was only two general elections he could've voted in and only one during their marriage. That "he always" is carrying a lot of weight.
― everything, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 04:37 (seven years ago) link
Lyndon's comments are just him saying (as usual) that finds it all to be an entertainment. So what? He's not right wing at all. Never has been.
― everything, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 04:41 (seven years ago) link
the doddering classes often become conservative without realizing it
― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 07:05 (seven years ago) link
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 03:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArthvGUb_w
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 07:17 (seven years ago) link
Doughnut Bump?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 07:30 (seven years ago) link
Man, Conan looks weird in that screen capture.
― pplains, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link
too bad, cz "no future in England's dreaming" is a fairly prescient synopsis of Brexit
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 13:30 (seven years ago) link
or maybe it won't be, I mean I can't claim to be that prescient myself obv
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 13:31 (seven years ago) link
Well, if he's complacent enough to view the situation as nothing more than entertainment, that's something of an ideological position in itself, but I think he said more than that? There's more of the interview here (although it's mostly quoted in the text of the Independent article). He said he stands with the working class in favour of Brexit. (And if I understand how the British class system works, which I definitely don't, I'm guessing this probably means something like "white working class".) And he said "the left-wing media" is smearing Trump as racist, which he doesn't think is true (but many of us do); and that it's a very good thing that he's "terrifying politicians" (again, not something that everyone agrees with).
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 13:38 (seven years ago) link
Probably considers himself smeared as a racist by Kele Okereke.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:13 (seven years ago) link
lydon is most likely a tory shithead, all things considered, but he's also always been pretty good at saying stuff that gets him media attention
― tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link
nah, he's "apolitical", like as in "atonal"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:34 (seven years ago) link
I doubt he's a Tory. Being NOT MIDDLE CLASS is his whole thing.
― Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
it's not his whole thing - there's also being a sneering, money-motivated property-developing arsehole with which is prime tory territory iirc
― tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:02 (seven years ago) link
What I meant is that not being seen to be middle class is more important to him than any political affiliations.
― Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link
He's just yet another embarrassing I-just-say-what-I-think rentagob at this stage. It makes little difference whether they self-identify as right-wing or not, but there was some dodgy stuff involving Kele Okerere a few years ago.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link
yeah exactly - i don't care how he votes - saying right-wing things is an act in itself, whatever his private feelings are don't concern me in this context.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link
The Kele thing..
The impression I got was that it was John's protectors who did the deed, and were (alleg) racist, etc. So, it's not that John is racist, but his 'security' might be.
Now, let's think about the Donald. Hmmmmm....
― Mark G, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:28 (seven years ago) link
this is a weird claim for Marcus to make, given his insistence, elsewhere, on the important of context. an artist's later work and actions enrich/further/complicate the context of their earlier work, at the very least. if that work has, in the past, been political in nature/focus, then an artist's expressed political opinions might also further illuminate/complicate the earlier work. earlier work doesn't exist in some weird bubble where nothing that comes later can touch it; even the experience of being moved by that earlier work can be complicated in severe instance (where the artist later goes on to commit murder, say).
― though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
People do seem to try and bend over backwards to try and defend Lydon over shit like this because of what he might once have represented, vocal support for Trump suggests he doesn't exactly have the best interests of black people at heart but who really gives a shit what a pop star from 30 years ago thinks about politics anyway?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
mmm, inclined to go back to what lg said about 'private feelings' here - if you're knowingly surrounding yourself with racists who end up getting into a racially-motivated fracas then you're just as much at fault imo
― tony orlandoni, cheese engineer (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
uhm I think you're forgetting one thing: john lydon likes reggae
― samovars are trying to steep (wins), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link
If you think you have evidence that a rock star might be racist, maybe try looking into whether or not they like reggae first before you embarrass yourself
― samovars are trying to steep (wins), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link