Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

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Re food what's happened is a great expansion of range of options to eat out, but at the indirect expense of preserving or restoring any idea of native (for want of better word) food culture?

I'm not sure what you mean by native food culture but if what you mean is regional specialities then their decline was much more to do with the growth of supermarkets, chain restaurant, etc in the 50s and 60s and little to do with migration. And anyway I would say that that decline is reversing. See "The Bad Food Guide" by Derek Cooper from 1967 for starters. Ho ho.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Has food diversity in the UK really got that much to do with immigration? Do the vast numbers of sushi joints that have sprung up over the past decade correlate to a Japanese immigration spike?

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, the vast number of sushi restaurants that exist in every town in Britain and not just central London.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:09 (sixteen years ago) link

"Here pal, you fucken' at it? Not only has this fucken' fish's no' goat any batter oan it but it's no' even fucken' cooked!"

Tom D., Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.ufindus.com/sushi_bar/corby

Weird, there's no sushi joints in Corby?

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link

*short appearance in thread from Bobby Gillespie* (xp)

Tom D., Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:13 (sixteen years ago) link

xp
Well, sushi isn't a great example but otherwise yes. Starting with the french and their heavy sauces.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

One does get tired of the endless round of sushi restaurants in Hull.

(Akshully there's a little independent Chinese restaurant that does sushi and it's dope.)

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

No Sushi in Bletchley or Droylsden either :-(

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm willing to bet there isn't one in Goole.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link

We should start an I Love the Provinces board.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, sushi is a poor example! But a lot of the increase in food diversity is not about immigration. There are other factors.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Morrissey would join.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost I already said as much tho. Imports like potatoes, coffee and tea weren't initially accompanied with swathes of immigrants.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link

But largescale changes in British diet (curry, kebabs, spag bol) are pretty much directly tied into mass immigration.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Except chilli con carne.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link

And holidays abroad.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

xp

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I remember when Colman's started doing this chilli packet mix in the early 80s and suddenly we had a new meal for tea that wasn't meat and two veg or fish fingers and chips. Happy days.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Dad started bringing the spag bol round about then too. It seriously was some kind of nirvana.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link

My best in with posh girls has always been them going "Oh wow, we had a Sicilian who worked on my grandparent's farm in the 50s. He introduced "linguini" to them!"

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I suppose this would be true if Moz was involved in xenophobic British politics, but as far as I know he isn't a member of the house of commons. The man is entitled to his opinion, and if people wanna pay money for it more power to them.

waht

HI DERE, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:35 (sixteen years ago) link

is right but then you might still wonder how you get into the position where you have to basically rely on importing people to heal and teach.

-- blueski, Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:55 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

original fifties immigration was done to staff up the nhs (possibly transport too?).

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link

and how you get into that position is partly by having a war.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Yep, transport too but not only public services, e.g. textile industry oop North

Tom D., Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link

No English accents in Knightsbridge --> Harrods is in Knightsbridge --> al Fayeds in Harrods --> keep our British institutions British --> omg Morrissey killed Diana!

Matt DC, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link

She was about to marry an immigrant!

Tom D., Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Y'all know about that Morrissey/Diana conspiracy site, right?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.dianamystery.com/Diana-Morrissey_Phenomenon.jpg

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Morrissey is jackin' it in that picture.

HI DERE, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Looks like he's smelling one of his own farts - and lovin' every minute of it

Tom D., Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Let's do pix of Moz tugging one out

http://laswompe.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/fib06_morrissey_p.jpg

Wistful.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link

(also NV holy shit at that website! CUCKOO)

HI DERE, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.informationleafblower.com/blog/archives/morrissey1.jpg

UNNNGGGGGH WHITE WEE-WEE

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost Yeah it's Old School web mentalism at its best, that one.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.caffeine-headache.net/weblog/Morrissey-You-Have-Killed-M-353389.jpg

Readers' Wives

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.onewaymagazine.com/images/artists/morrissey1.jpg

On the Q.T.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link

From fatso to waxwork

Tom D., Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link

This dude still rocks a suit better than all of us.

blueski, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Speak for yrself, dude.

HI DERE, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Indeed. Also he can afford good ones.

Tom D., Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

And he enjoys measuring his own inside leg, by the looks of it.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

http://photos.contactmusic.com/m/morrissey_011007/morrissey_13_wenn1599952.jpg

Lost in a moment he can't get out of.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Morrissey's lawyers threaten legal action against NME

Alba, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Do you think he'll be okay with the wanking pics tho?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Irish Blood, English Spunk

Tom D., Thursday, 29 November 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

http://version2.andrewkendall.com/images/photographs/livemusic/morrissey_160306/main/morrissey_160306_4.jpg
And what a mess I've made of my...trousers...

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 29 November 2007 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I'll never make that mistake again, etc...

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 29 November 2007 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought he was farting in that one TBH.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought he was farting in that one TBH.

-- Noodle Vague, Thursday, 29 November 2007 16:04 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Hahaahh! You have killed me!

Mister Craig, Thursday, 29 November 2007 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link


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