― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Cacaman Flores, Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link
I think I'd be fine with that, actually.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:24 (twenty years ago) link
― adaml (adaml), Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link
See, that sounds cool.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:59 (twenty years ago) link
― adaml (adaml), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:19 (twenty years ago) link
― adaml (adaml), Monday, 29 September 2003 00:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 September 2003 01:33 (twenty years ago) link
All those digs at the Clash: venomous hogwash. SCORIA. ALL OF IT!!!!!! TAKE IT BACK, SUCKAZ!
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:08 (twenty years ago) link
I love them so much,always did and always will,fun and cool and smart
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 September 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 07:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 29 September 2003 08:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 29 September 2003 08:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 29 September 2003 09:52 (twenty years ago) link
I do prefer "London Calling", but their debut is also nice enough due to its great melodies and choruses.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 10:39 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Monday, 29 September 2003 11:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:09 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, this = true, but at the same time, if you think a band sucks (like the clash, who i still think are totally dud) and there are a load of shit bands who copy them, then you can't help but hate them all the more!
(gier - the buzzcocks and the stranglers wrote better tunes than the clash or the pistols, as you must surely know!)
NB if you are near a branch of hmv, you can get the ruts' "the crack" c/w loads of bonus cuts for 4.99
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 22:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 22:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Ben Dot, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 23:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link
― .adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Keith C (lync0), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link
i love the way strummer's voice sounds during 'train in vain' - what a great song.
― 6335, Friday, 20 January 2006 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link
perhaps you were'nt around in the late 70s, but the political situation was very different then. To ally yourself with black music was to be against the rise of the far right, who were on the march in London. Nobody disses the Slits or the Ruts for incorporating a lot of reggae in their sound. UK punk was forged in an alliance of outsider white music and outsider black music (reggae not soul/disco).I'm all for re-evaluating sacred cows, but get the context right, and you'll never convince me not to love the clash..
― dr x o'skeleton, Monday, 23 January 2006 11:37 (eighteen years ago) link
The Clash are classic.
― Gukbe (lokar), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Of course the Clash were keenly aware that their fetischization of Reggae music was problematic - thus "White Man (In Hammersmith Palais)", "Safe European Home" and the tongue-in-cheek "White Riot" (well, I've always hoped that it was tongue-in-cheek, because taken straight-faced it is one of the dumbest songs ever written.)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 23 January 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link
Train in Vain and Lover's Rock are soul, Lost in the Supermarket is disco, and that's before Sandanista! and Combat Rock...
"White Riot" is a longing for white solidarity with black insurrection, which might be dumb as a newspaper editorial or thesis paper, when it comes to a riot, but was incredibly smart on a gut, emotional, rock&roll level. I still would have told the Clash to put down the bricks and organize, but it's not like they did much rioting after Notting Hill.
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Monday, 23 January 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
Ultimately, y'all heard them at an impressionable age, they had the right attitude and political agenda, and you are smoking crack if you don't think their reputation has been overblown a bit over the years. Not a dud per se, just an average band that somehow grew into a legend without the songs to really justify it. Sorry.....
― anne of seven crackers, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 07:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 08:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 08:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― anne of seven crackers, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link
White riot, I wanna riotWhite riot, a riot of my ownWhite riot, I wanna riotWhite riot, a riot of my ownBlack man gotta lot a problemsBut they don't mind throwing a brickWhite people go to schoolWhere they teach you how to be thick
[Emphasis added.]
How is this a "longing for solidarity" rather than simple envy?
Clash: Dud. Sorry.
― xero (xero), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Even if it were pure envy, it would be brilliant. How many songs are about something you want, whether or not you should have it? It's the exact opposite of the "being down" nonsense at the top. The song says, in effect, "I'm not black. I have my own struggle. But I wish I could lash out like that. I identify with that feeling."
Did any whites come close to being this honest in the universalist '50s or '60s? Did Dylan ever mention being white at all? Imagine Elvis putting images from the '68 Memphis sanitation workers strike that broke into riots on a record sleeve, and singing about how black men marching on Beale Street might be something a white truck driver should emulate, and you begin to understand the impact this song had for punks at the time.
I only came to deeply love the Clash in '88, at a cool distance from all that (and when I was 18), so I'm at least objective enough to hear that Strummer is singing in key, whatever else you don't like about his voice or delivery...
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 26 January 2006 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link
like everyone really.
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:28 (eighteen years ago) link
it is a great song, but that's not strummer.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link
I had a long post here, but on review this is the most important thing:
Pash used to sign posts with "xoxo"?!!
― roxymuzak, Saturday, 19 April 2008 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks and the Damned.The Big Three
The Clash always were those annoying student union types.Posturing and homourless Mick Jones had a way superior voice compared to Strummer's bark.
Overrated and embarrasing
― Fer Ark, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
That's a damn fine Big Three, but the first Clash album still sounds like balls-out Punk Rock to me.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Fer Ark OTM.
― Bimble, Thursday, 31 July 2008 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link
oddly enough these guys are somehow classic AND dud. I love stuff like "white man in hammersmith palais" and "this is radio clash". hell, I even liked rude boy.
but listening to an entire album by them is fucking tiring.
― Edward III, Thursday, 31 July 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link
wikipedia rude boy lulz
In a rare interview, Ray Gange subsequently confessed that much of his dialogue contained thoughts and ideas that he felt silly voicing. Therefore the pivotal scene when Gange's girlfriend leaves him after he tells her: "Don't call me love, I don't believe in it," should not interpreted to mean that the actual Ray Gange ever lost his faith in love or romance, a fact which should offer massive reassurance to women everywhere.
― Edward III, Thursday, 31 July 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
toss up whether to put it here or on the kevin ayers thread.
― Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 12 August 2023 16:16 (nine months ago) link
Wow, guess I have to click to see.
― No Zing Compares 2 HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 August 2023 16:21 (nine months ago) link
Viz. Costello thing: yes! That Spanish This Year Model is super great. You also get to hear how No Action and I Don't Want to Go to Chelsea were recorded basically as one track. I was fearful of that project but it's so good. Now if we could only get the real Rat Patrol (which I know we won't).
― three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Sunday, 13 August 2023 23:35 (nine months ago) link