OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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So tell me more about your facial hair and evocative lyrics. Also where do you live?

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link

Looking at it, it looks like it could have been an email or gchat interview. Those come out horribly sometimes, especially if the interviewee responds with single line answers and the interviewer isn't prepared to interrogate further.

he drummed, pompously (dog latin), Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:59 (ten years ago) link

The interviewer looked like she had no idea who he is as evidence by the line I broke down slightly upthread. I don't think any blame is on BPB.

Evan, Friday, 24 January 2014 00:05 (ten years ago) link

wouldn't you be a little insulted that MPR was wasting your time with this interviewer who clearly didn't care? what's he supposed to do?

Ronnie James 乒乓 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 January 2014 00:13 (ten years ago) link

to this writer's credit she wrote a better story on transgender issues than 99% of the professional critics reviewing the against me! album.

katherine, Friday, 24 January 2014 00:27 (ten years ago) link

(which is a false equivalency, yes, but A) if we're talking about "doing a good bit of research"... and B) everyone in college writes inexperienced stuff, because they're inexperienced, and the grind of the internship cycle / online publishing just means people can read it.)

katherine, Friday, 24 January 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link

Even if she were interviewing a complete nobody that would be a sorry, half-assed excuse for an interview.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 January 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link

Feel like at this point, mocking the AV Club's music writing is like mocking a student paper's music writing (speaking of being topical to this thread!), both are shooting fish in a barrel but AVC shouldn't have gotten to this point, they shouldn't be this bad.

I bring this up because of their "Same Love" piece, written for the Grammys. I'm sure what was written in it (rap doesn't say anything about civil rights, but Macklemore is here to save everyone) was written by a lot of straight music writers but ugh.

At least in their music, hip-hop’s biggest artists weren’t too concerned about civil rights in 2013: Jay Z may have donated the “charity” of his “presence” at the occasional Trayvon Martin rally, but his album was more focused on reiterating that he is still very rich, while Kanye West eloquently quoted Martin Luther King’s “thank God almighty… free at last!” to refer to unrestrained breasts. Meanwhile, on the most pressing civil rights issue of the times—gay marriage, which he professes to support—the exhaustingly clueless Eminem suggested on “Rap God” that he might “break a motherfuckin’ table over the back of a couple faggots and crack it in half.” In the face of such squandered opportunities to use rap to say something meaningful about anyone’s rights, it was utterly refreshing to see the somewhat geeky, un-posturing Macklemore (along with utterly nondescript sidekick Ryan Lewis) step up to the plate and deliver thoughtful commentary on the changing tide on gay rights in America.

Lyrically, Macklemore’s ruminations aren’t always profound (Wow, people can sure be nasty in anonymous YouTube posts!), but “Same Love” feels empowering simply because he’s so earnestly addressing the topic at all.

http://www.avclub.com/article/macklemore-amp-lewis-same-love-is-more-than-a-pro--200929

Murgatroid, Sunday, 26 January 2014 03:34 (ten years ago) link

http://blog.thecurrent.org/2013/12/15-minutes-in-fargo-with-martin-zellar/

looks like she asks the same basic questions to everyone

I love Oldham, but reading this one basically made me think, "See Will? That's how you answer an underprepared kid's questions in a kind, reasonable, professional manner."

alpine static, Sunday, 26 January 2014 05:52 (ten years ago) link

i was thinking about starting a thread of screenshots of avclub's terrible new article titling but i'm uncertain of its mass appeal

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Sunday, 26 January 2014 06:51 (ten years ago) link

looking at just the titling is hate-reading's version of "just the tip"

Murgatroid, Sunday, 26 January 2014 06:54 (ten years ago) link

oh my god, Todd VanDerWerff is terrible enough when he stays in his own lane

Murgatroid, Sunday, 26 January 2014 06:56 (ten years ago) link

ikr!

and yeah i never read the articles because i'm trying to not drive myself to violence and the titles are literally enough for an entire lifetime of hate

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Sunday, 26 January 2014 06:59 (ten years ago) link

i should post quotes from Todd's ode to Royals' finger snaps to rile you up

Murgatroid, Sunday, 26 January 2014 07:01 (ten years ago) link

haha the first line: "It’s the finger snaps, I think." no that's it for me.

the other hilarious thing is that with their disgusting redesign they also decided to ramp up their # of regular features 5000% so every time i visit there are like eight new supposed regular features i'm seeing for the first time and will possibly never see again and every one has some long introductory paragraph explaining the regular feature

it seems tragically difficult to maintain it all and now they're probably realizing they could just scrap the regular features thing and be like every other website on the internet

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Sunday, 26 January 2014 07:03 (ten years ago) link

I think they have a regular column dedicated to food scenes in movies, which is a nadir of something

Murgatroid, Sunday, 26 January 2014 07:06 (ten years ago) link

seriously i have never seen these before this week:

Sketchhistory
Internet Film School
Keyboard Geniuses
What Are You Playing This Weekend?
Stop the Presses!
Firsties

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Sunday, 26 January 2014 07:06 (ten years ago) link

oh god, "Firsties"

insert ouroboros.jpg here

Murgatroid, Sunday, 26 January 2014 07:08 (ten years ago) link

Internet Film School isn't too bad, it's actually written by Scott Eric Kaufman of the Lawyers, Guns and Money blog; he also teaches visual rhetoric at UC Irvine. But yeah, overall AVC has gone right over a cliff.

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Sunday, 26 January 2014 13:26 (ten years ago) link

At this point I only read the Newswire and select TV stuff. The music coverage has always been suspect at best, though.

Simon H., Sunday, 26 January 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link

no, not always.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Sunday, 26 January 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link

Hi there, UCI employee here. Known Scott for a while but he left a year or two ago and now lives in Baton Rouge. And yes, the best writer of the current AVC bunch by a mile.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 January 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link

I like Ignatiy Vishnavetsky a lot too, he's way too good to be writing for AVC, but whatever, I bet they pay better than any other gig he's had, save that time he co-hosted Ebert Presents or whatever it was called.

Murgatroid, Sunday, 26 January 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link

no, not always.

As far back as I can remember, at least. Did it have a non-crappy heyday?

Simon H., Sunday, 26 January 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link

Admittedly I did like their metal column. 'Till it got axed.

Simon H., Sunday, 26 January 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link

sean o'neal's a treasure and they're lucky to have him

not a huge fan of the stuff i've read from ignatiy, never sure what the hype is about

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Sunday, 26 January 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link

http://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/macklemore-grammys

this is as bad as you think

Murgatroid, Monday, 27 January 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link

i don't really remember the dates i liked the av club for music. there was a period around 2002-2005 that i read it pretty frequently and treated it as a 'second opinion' after the voice that i tended to trust more than e.g. most glossies, and then i sorta drifted away from paying attention and i couldn't tell you what happened since why. from that period there were a bunch of names that ended up showing up elsewhere/around both online and in print that were all pretty decent too. i think a lotta good ppl probably passed thru there over the years.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Monday, 27 January 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link

there’s certainly no other major rapper willing to be as overtly pro-LGBT on a record

this is surely false - plz counter, ILX

get the feeling that perp is ignoring a lot of female rappers there for a start

i assume "Little Joey" (imago), Monday, 27 January 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link

"i think a lotta good ppl probably passed thru there over the years."

yeah -- in the current publishing climate, "too good for __________" is a weird thing to say about any writer.

katherine, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 00:09 (ten years ago) link

nicki fucking minaj

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:46 (ten years ago) link

was the article about the importance of pharrell's hat any good?

^ enlightening post (sarahell), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 02:54 (ten years ago) link

av club was early on in taking a catholic approach across genres. wide-ranging coverage, including serious reviews of pop albums, etc. better than most alt-weeklies. i was in chicago at the time and the reader had a good music section but it was sort of specific and featurish. for general reviews and coverage the av club (which i read thru the print edition) was way better than any other weekly i could get my hands on, physically.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link

omg are we going to count on him to defend the racist music industry every few weeks now?

dyl, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 04:14 (ten years ago) link

Just seen this from 2012
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/lucyjones/100063781/should-paul-simon-have-defied-a-un-boycott-to-make-graceland-in-south-africa-under-apartheid/

"Music-lovers will find it difficult not to take his side, as Philip Glass, Paul McCartney, David Byrne and Oprah do in the film. It is said that he put a “human face on apartheid” and raised awareness about what was happening in South Africa. It is said that without his chutzpah Ladysmith Black Mambazo and other musicians wouldn't have had so much global success. It is even said that without Graceland, there would be no hiphop".

۩, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:21 (ten years ago) link

read that last sentence again

۩, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:21 (ten years ago) link

what the

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link

it is even said by morons that without Graceland, there would be no hiphop

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:29 (ten years ago) link

oh wow

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:37 (ten years ago) link

it is even said that without graceland, there would be no martin luther king

now say that in the voice of Herman Cain

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:40 (ten years ago) link

ok this is like 10x more minor, but it really irks me when people miss the point of this line:

So he took off to the home of Elvis, saw the 'Mississipi Delta shining like a national guitar' and eventually decided to just go with it.

by not capitalizing National. The line is a reference to National brand resophonic guitars, which are very silvery and shiny, and are also used a lot in blues. Yes, there's also a play on words, with the mississippi delta being like a "national" guitar of the united states, but that makes no fucking sense without the reference. Why would a national guitar of the US be shiny?

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:40 (ten years ago) link

it is said it is shiny

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link

Clearly, art cannot exist in a vacuum, in some sealed-off Arcadia in the clouds. But then… how I adore Graceland. I remember exactly where I first heard it, sitting on the floor of a friend’s room in my first year of university, drinking cheap red wine. There’s a moment in the film where the drummer breaks into a grin at the riff of You Can Call Me Al. Perhaps we should just be glad it exists – but even more so that apartheid is over.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link

The Magic of "Graceland"
By Jay Nordlinger
January 28, 2014 5:32 PM 43 Comments

Clearly, art cannot exist in a vacuum, in some sealed-off Arcadia in the clouds. But then… how I adore Graceland. I remember exactly where I first heard it, sitting on the floor of a friend’s room in my first year of university, drinking cheap red wine. There’s a moment in the film where the drummer breaks into a grin at the riff of You Can Call Me Al. Perhaps we should just be glad it exists – but even more so that apartheid is over.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link

not to put too fine a point on it

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link

meanwhile in MN, Meagan Pittelko is writing the most heartfelt thank-you note of her life

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link

mon-wed

TV Club 10
Adapt and Die
The Single File
One-Season Wonders, Weirdos and Wannabes

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 06:15 (ten years ago) link


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