haha, i remember all my dorky britpop friends desperately trying to make themselves like this album. the 'devil's refugee' line seems like just run-of-the-mill '90s rock lyric bullshit, but it's got to be 'fool on the hill and i feel fine' for taking beatles references to a new level of awkward pointlessness.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
haha, i remember all my dorky britpop friends desperately trying to make themselves like this album.
Even more hilarious to watch them doing the same with Standing on the Shoulder of Giants iirc.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
Genuinely stupid record. Drugs are bad, kids.
― the drummer is a monster (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
This was the one with All Around the World right? Even as a died in the wool Oasis hater I remember thinking that song was particularly risible.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
all this talk of shoes has reminded me that this is apparently a real lyric from the last Kings of Leon record:
I walk a mile in your shoesAnd now I'm a mile awayAnd I've got your shoes
― Simon H., Friday, January 24, 2014 7:28 PM (13 minutes ago)
This is an old joke, isn't it? Not a KoL original.
― emil.y, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
yeah "I don't think I dig his friends! I dig his shoes!" is worth a cringe.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
ok lol THAT should be the lyric
stupid, stupid, stupid record. also the most fun oasis record
― pessimishaim (imago), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
A lot is made of Be Here Now "killing Britpop", but I think by the time the album appeared, the musical landscape had already mostly shifted. OK Computer was already out by that point, Blur had put out Blur at the beginning of the year, the Manic Street Preachers had become incredibly successful on the back of 'A Design For Life' and Everything Must Go. In hindsight, I get the feeling that a lot was riding on Be Here Now to rejuvenate the whole Britpop thing and keep the Britpop thing going (because, let's face it, record companies loved Britpop because even the lesser bands were selling a lot of records). I think we all know what happened instead, though... a big, hyped-up pre-release campaign to something which actually didn't mean all that much. The Emperor's New Clothes. The band were coked out of their skulls and had completely lost touch with reality, and were still talking about themselves as if they were the dog's bollocks, but where during the time of Morning Glory millions would have agreed and even goaded on the Gallagher's self-belief, during the time of Be Here Now that whole schtick just looked increasingly delusional, and reactions became more "seriously? really? shut the fuck up!".
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
"Coming in a mess going out in style/I ain't good-looking but I'm someone's child" is a good second-tier late 80s glam metal lyric
― wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link
Some of the B-sides are really no better, either: 'Angel child, tonight this is your life. Angel child o'mine!'
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link
Wouldn't it be easier to actually single out any good lyrics?
Then again...
― OutdoorFish, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
This record is so over the top and terrible and awesome and fun and I love it so much and hate it so much for so many different reasons. Like this is sort of the 90s equivalent of a coked-out mess.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
i remember a bunch of ppl apologetically going 'they always waste the bad stuff on the albums, the GOOD stuff's on the b-sides,' which always struck me as a weird way to do things now, even then buying cd singles felt to me like the kind of thing you only did if you were already an obsessed fan, but a lot of 'the masterplan' is pretty good, definitely on par with the first two albums.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
The Morning Glory b-sides are far better than pretty much anything that appeared on Be Here Now. The Be Here Now B-sides are mostly pretty terrible, apart from maybe 'Stay Young' which is probably Gallagher's best song of this period.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
not even the best Britpop song called Stay Young tbf
― pessimishaim (imago), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link
Who else around this time released a song called 'Stay Young'? I can only think of Ultrasound's, and I don't really see them as being a Britpop band. They were kinda part of that weird late '90s post-Britpop thing where bands were either making mournful acoustic-guitar based music or trying to be more of an "art rock" thing.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
thinking of so young?
― OutdoorFish, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:25 (ten years ago) link
who the fuck are okkervil river?
― OutdoorFish, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
i was definitely thinking of Ultrasound! they were artier than most Britpop tbf but cmon that's a thunking great Britpop song
― pessimishaim (imago), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
also lol, pitchfork indie brotha
it's an old old joke. I think maybe billy connolly told it once? So probably older than billy connolly.
― chekhprivan (wins), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
yeah google says connolly:
"Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that who cares?... He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!"
― chekhprivan (wins), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link
Turrican otm. i remember being jaded and bored with the whole oasis thing (i had loved the first two albums) by the time BHN was about to hit the shelves. the first single (and the ludicrous video) only confirmed that the album wasnt going to be worth bothering with. dave fanning played it in full on his radio show soon after it was released and it was apparent that the jig was up.
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Friday, 24 January 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
I think it was probably the lingering goodwill in America for "Wonderwall", but "D'You Know What I Mean" was inescapable on alt-rock radio for the first month it came out, but then none of the other singes did much. I do remember friends of mine that absolutely loathed Morning Glory really repping for "D'You Know What I Mean" though.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 January 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
I loved the 1st album thought 2nd was decent bought the album day it came out (was it a thursday?) never played it since 2 days after. Even though my parents bought me that vinyl box set for the christmas that year.
Yet its still better than what followed. WHY did I buy sotsog WHY
― ۩, Friday, 24 January 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
― pessimishaim (imago)
not even the best Britpop song with "Stay" in title.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 January 2014 21:40 (ten years ago) link
if diana hadnt died their ballad from that album woulda been #1 and the album woulda done well but it stalled totally at that point.fucking weird times.
― ۩, Friday, 24 January 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
Oh god yeah, the videos to all the Be Here Now singles are ludicrous, and no doubt cost quite a fair bit of money to make. It's pure speculation, but I reckon the video to 'All Around The World' alone cost far more to make than all of the Definitely Maybe-era videos combined.
It's the ultimate in style over substance, really: a lot of money and time was obviously put into the packaging of the album (and its singles), the videos, the stage set (probably the only time Oasis ever had stage props: the band walked onstage out of a phonebox, opened by a guy in a top hat with a pocketwatch, if I recall... a far cry from the no-frills approach of before), even the production of the record with all the strings and brass sections, the BBC making a documentary to launch the release of the album, the whole fucking security surrounding the album was insane...
All of this time, money and effort spent on presentation and building hype, and the parts which mattered were mostly phoned-in.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
I saw them 3 times, the last time was the 2nd day of Loch Lomond. No stage props at all were needed. Tho video screens were at Loch Lomond but that was when they attracted the stadium rock crowd (and lost the indie kids with be here now) and the stadium rock fans need something more than 4 or 5 blokes just standing there.Its weird as i knew tons of people who didnt like them on the first album "all hype" but once they got big gig size they were all over them. They only went to see rem/bon jovi/rhcp/eagles/rod stewart/u2 at the likes of hampden or murrayfield. and they would still go to those venues until they split.
― ۩, Friday, 24 January 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link
― ۩, Friday, January 24, 2014 9:36 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The band should have called it a day before Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants, in my humble opinion. I mean, sure, Oasis had always been 'The Gallagher Brothers Show' to some degree, but they still very much were a band. Guigsy and Bonehead may not have contributed much musically to Oasis, but that particular line-up of Oasis (either with McCarroll or White) had a chemistry to them which disappeared entirely once Guigsy and Bonehead left. They felt like a brand from that point onwards, and it definitely wasn't the same.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
btw i hope everyone realises britpop is not a real thing
― OutdoorFish, Friday, 24 January 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
Also some Oasis fans genuinely think the only band better than them is the beatles. I swear I cant think of a more close-minded set of fans now yet up until loch lomond tons of people hoped they would go dance and do a screamadelica. I wonder what would have happened if they had done that instead of be here now? Would dad rock have not happened? Or would OCS and Cast & co just got bigger than them?
OCS were one hit wonders when they played loch lomond/knebworth. Prodigy,chemical brothers played too and they got just as big as those dad rock bands that got big in the wake of oasis. So why did dad rock last longer?
― ۩, Friday, 24 January 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
i still think Hey Now from Morning Glory's 2nd verse is their worst ever lyrical moment and worse than any here, because it actually goes some way to ruin a halfway-brilliant song. to wit
The first thing I sawAs I walked through the doorWas a sign on the wall that readIt said you might never knowThat I want you to knowWhat is written inside of your head
i mean..
― piscesx, Friday, 24 January 2014 22:04 (ten years ago) link
the poll options itt are one of the funniest things i've ever seen on ilm, bravo turrican
― one second I'm a goons, then suddenly the goons is me (some dude), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
A good friend of mine is an oasis nut, loves all their records. hes not too keen on be here now but reckons theres 3 or 4 good songs on it. although he couldnt even deny that the noel solo lp was bad. how bad must it have been?
― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
xxxpost:
Ocean Colour Scene wouldn't have got anywhere without the endorsement of Paul Weller and Chris Evans. You have to remember, Ocean Colour Scene had already had one failed album behind them at that point (the self-titled album from 1992, which was more baggy than anything else). Paul Weller gave Steve Cradock work while Ocean Colour Scene were between record deals, and Chris Evans was basically responsible for championing 'The Riverboat Song' and having them on TFI Friday as often as possible. If not for the Weller & Evans endorsements, it's quite possible that Moseley Shoals still would have been more successful than the debut (people were still buying huge amounts of records after all), but it's equally possible that they just would have ended up as one of the endless amounts of Weller-endorsed acts that didn't do an awful lot.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:10 (ten years ago) link
Cast were probably signed because John Power used to be in The La's. Their debut album was released the same month as Morning Glory, and well before 'Wonderwall' was a hit, and ages before Ocean Colour Scene put Moseley Shoals out.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:14 (ten years ago) link
early OCS is real jarring when you've heard what came after. pretty good too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Py8h7poouQ
― piscesx, Friday, 24 January 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link
Also some Oasis fans genuinely think the only band better than them is the beatles. I swear I cant think of a more close-minded set of fans now yet up until loch lomond tons of people hoped they would go dance and do a screamadelica.
― ۩, Friday, January 24, 2014 10:00 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yup, hardcore Oasis fans circa 2014 are idiots, pretty much. The weird thing is, I don't recall many people even connecting Oasis with The Beatles until after Definitely Maybe. Circa the first album Noel Gallagher seemed to be more keen about talking about The Sex Pistols or The Stone Roses or The Smiths.
And it's often forgotten that he did that collaboration with The Chemical Brothers ('Setting Sun') post-Morning Glory and that definitely fuelled rumours that Oasis were going to go all Screamadelica.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:21 (ten years ago) link
xpost:
Yeah, the first OCS album is by far the most interesting thing they ever did.
As soon as I heard the title Be Here Now I knew this was going to be total bullshit
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 24 January 2014 22:27 (ten years ago) link
What's funny is that Noel talked up All Around the World since at least 1994. Then you hear what a bloated mess it is.
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 24 January 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link
Be Here Now (or Remember, Be Here Now) is a seminal 1971 book on spirituality, yoga and meditation by the Western-born yogi and spiritual teacher Ram Dass.
― OutdoorFish, Friday, 24 January 2014 22:30 (ten years ago) link
One of the funniest things about this album is remembering long time weekly/monthly music journos fawning over this record at the time.
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 24 January 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
the impressive thing is that there are like a hundred songs called 'all around the world' and oasis's still might be the worst.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
Dele Fadele in Vox, I'm looking at you. 9/10 indeed.
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 24 January 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
― OutdoorFish, Friday, January 24, 2014 10:30 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's likely that Noel Gallagher got the title from the George Harrison song, though, who no doubt got it from that book.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:39 (ten years ago) link
― Master of Treacle, Friday, January 24, 2014 10:28 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, it was one of the most eagerly awaited tracks on the album, if I recall, solely because Noel had talked the song up so much over the years. It was apparently slated to go on Morning Glory at one point, but ended up being bumped in favour of 'Champagne Supernova'. If I recall, he kept talking it up as the epic to end all epics, something that would need a colossally big budget to record. It just ended up being a bog-standard Oasis song with a 'Hey Jude' outro that went on forever with a hundred key changes.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
In fact, the ending lyric "Pigs don't fly! Never say die!" really should have been an option here.
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 24 January 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
Good post imo ecuador
― a horse divided cannot stand (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2014 12:24 (ten years ago) link
Mine:
My Big MouthStand By MeStay YoungThe FameI Hope, I Think, I KnowBe Here NowI Got The FeverDon't Go AwayIt's Getting Better, Man!!!Going Nowhere
― Driver 8, Friday, January 31, 2014 2:58 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That's actually not a bad configuration!
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 31 January 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
I'll take the accompanying Magic Pie EP over that:
D'ya Know What I MeanMagic PieFade In-Out
^^^just the right amount of coked-up multitracked idiocy
― 141 Jute Gyte - Discontinuities 142 drake - nothing was the same (imago), Friday, 31 January 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
Just trying to imagine an alternate universe where Oasis release the Magic Pie EP as shown above...
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
*giggles* Maybe add All Around The World on the end of that for the full sturm-und-drang blow-out. I think that those four tracks would have gotten it out of their system quite nicely. Well, quite horribly. And nicely.
― 141 Jute Gyte - Discontinuities 142 drake - nothing was the same (imago), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link
It'd be a long EP... that's over half an hour of Be Here Now's runtime right there!
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
lol ok maybe not then, keep it pure
― 141 Jute Gyte - Discontinuities 142 drake - nothing was the same (imago), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
needs a run-off
― ۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:12 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I voted for the long and winding one and I want to see its shittiness rewarded
― OutdoorFish, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link
naw The blood on the trax and it must be mine/the fool on the hill and I feel fine is way worse.3 shitty beatles references to your 1
― ۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:38 (ten years ago) link
Columbia is the obvious Oasis go to shoegazing track imo
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:38 (ten years ago) link
well, 2 + dylan for the uncut readers
― ۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link
― ۩, Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:12 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hahahaha... yeah, 'cause that'll go down well!
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:50 (ten years ago) link
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:38 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I always used to overlook 'Columbia' back in the '90s, but when I listened to Definitely Maybe a few days ago it suddenly felt like a standout track!
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:52 (ten years ago) link
it always was!
― ۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:56 (ten years ago) link
btw turrican C'MOWN
― ۩, Saturday, 1 February 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link
there is so much GOOD shoegaze out there, oasis is so not a go to band
― OutdoorFish, Saturday, 1 February 2014 01:52 (ten years ago) link
25 Years Ago, The Biggest Rock Band Dropped A Perfect Album That Nobody Was Ready For
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 21 August 2022 18:16 (two years ago) link
oh fuck off
― Left, Sunday, 21 August 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link
a challops that big needs an incredible piece of writing to justify it, not that piece of meandering pointless shit
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 21 August 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link
I was too young to notice when this band was a thing everyone had to care about but my encounters with fans in the intervening years have been so overwhelmingly negative that I feel like I almost lived through it- but I hoped even the fans hated this one enough that we could avoid the cycle this time. how naive
― Left, Sunday, 21 August 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link
no offence to the oasis fans who aren't the most aggressively incurious britrock worshipping racist homophobic misogynist loudmouth wankers in britain I know you're out there but I'm sure you're aware of the scale of the problem
― Left, Sunday, 21 August 2022 18:45 (two years ago) link
Don’t go away sounds like a Train song
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 21 August 2022 19:04 (two years ago) link
I bought it on the day it was released, was a huge deal for me. I think “getting better (man)” was my favorite track
― calstars, Sunday, 21 August 2022 19:48 (two years ago) link
p good album
― brimstead, Sunday, 21 August 2022 19:51 (two years ago) link
the excess is the whole point.i love this album.
― mark e, Sunday, 21 August 2022 21:42 (two years ago) link
yeah v much the only Oasis album I need
― imago, Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:11 (two years ago) link
What do you think of Don’t Go Away? What are you hearing?
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:17 (two years ago) link
that's one of the worst songs on the album yes
― imago, Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:21 (two years ago) link
https://neilk.substack.com/p/on-oasis-the-gallaghers-d4abcb889d59
― djh, Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:22 (two years ago) link
yes, a classic bit of polemic
I still like most of this album and the song 'morning glory', was also impressed hearing 'roll with it' in the supermarket recently, happy to leave the rest
― imago, Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:24 (two years ago) link
lose 'don't go away', 'i hope i think i know', 'the girl in the dirty shirt' and it's all hits, a blistering soup of N Gallagher overdubbed twelve times, the plaintive miasma of cool britannia in its greatest throes, the immersive folly of the scene that truly celebrated itself
― imago, Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:33 (two years ago) link
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length),
uh am I misreading you? Sheffield trashed it.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 August 2022 22:35 (two years ago) link
“Don’tcha know”
― calstars, Sunday, 21 August 2022 23:49 (two years ago) link
i love the whole morning glory album, it truly spoke to me in silly ways when i was in high school. i imported a gigantic liam gallagher poster and hung it above my bed. ian curtis on the opposite wall. weird opposing heroes, but they both spoke to me. Be Here Now i bought on the day it came out. i thought "this fucking sucks". when Standing on the Shoulder (uggggggh) came out it seemed like a massive improvement, although now when i listen back, nope, that one sucks too. Oasis the band died at the end of Champagne Supernova. That fadeout is the sound of them going away to die. their ghouls reappeared on Be Here Now, it's their "excess" album, but really it's just their coke album, and it sounds exactly like that -- massive dickheads leaping way beyond their scope of knowledge, truly believing that every idiotic word that comes to mind is actually truly powerful on some level. no one listens to oasis for the lyrics (? right?) but the songs weren't there either, so they just did the really tedious act of stretching out every single song to the limit and playing things over and over, hoping to find new meaning in the 18th repetition, which somehow works when it's spacemen 3 but does not at all when it's oasis.
definitely maybe 8morning glory 10be here now 2
― Karl Malone, Monday, 22 August 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
i actually really like ‘d’you know what i mean’ but yet have never felt the urge to listen to the rest of it
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 August 2022 00:18 (two years ago) link
there are good songs on it but listening to it sucks
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 22 August 2022 00:34 (two years ago) link
be here now is at least better than most of what came afterward but that's not saying very much.
the tunes are mostly decent, you can at least hear how it could have been worthwhile if they weren't so coked out making it. it's a kinda fascinating artefact
― ufo, Monday, 22 August 2022 00:43 (two years ago) link
i saw Oasis three times -
once in 1994 when Live Forever had just been released - this was very exciting vibe-wise although I felt (and still feel) a little bemused by the hype
once in I dunno early 2000s when Andy Bell was playing bass (?!) - this was fine, I didn't pay much attention, it was at a festival
but they played in Sydney in 1998 at the end of the Be Here Now tour and it was once of the flattest/worst performances from a major band I have ever seen - just woeful. I think Noel Gallagher apologised later for how shit it was.
― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Monday, 22 August 2022 02:36 (two years ago) link
"We were appalling last time," he said. "We owe the Australians one. If anyone saw us, they saw the band at its worst. I'm desperate to get back there to set the record straight. An Australian tour is pencilled in. If people will have us, we'll definitely come back."
"When we were in Australia [in 1998], it was meltdown time. By the time we got there we'd been on the road for seven months. There was a lot of drinking and nonsense. We'd had enough of touring. We'd been doing it for four or five years and it was one tour too many. If we had the chance to go back to Australia, I'd be the first on the plane."
From here
Stoked to have seen this historically important show!
― the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Monday, 22 August 2022 02:40 (two years ago) link
Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn) at 11:35 21 Aug 22a challops that big needs an incredible piece of writing to justify it, not that piece of meandering pointless shit― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length),uh am I misreading you? Sheffield trashed it.
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 22 August 2022 06:56 (two years ago) link