Worst/most cringeworthy lyric on Oasis' 'Be Here Now'

i was definitely thinking of Ultrasound! they were artier than most Britpop tbf but cmon that's a thunking great Britpop song

also lol, pitchfork indie brotha

I walk a mile in your shoes
And now I'm a mile away
And I've got your shoes

― Simon H., Friday, January 24, 2014 7:28 PM (13 minutes ago)

This is an old joke, isn't it? Not a KoL original.

it's an old old joke. I think maybe billy connolly told it once? So probably older than billy connolly.

yeah google says connolly:

"Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that who cares?... He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!"

Turrican otm. i remember being jaded and bored with the whole oasis thing (i had loved the first two albums) by the time BHN was about to hit the shelves. the first single (and the ludicrous video) only confirmed that the album wasnt going to be worth bothering with. dave fanning played it in full on his radio show soon after it was released and it was apparent that the jig was up.

I think it was probably the lingering goodwill in America for "Wonderwall", but "D'You Know What I Mean" was inescapable on alt-rock radio for the first month it came out, but then none of the other singes did much. I do remember friends of mine that absolutely loathed Morning Glory really repping for "D'You Know What I Mean" though.

I loved the 1st album thought 2nd was decent bought the album day it came out (was it a thursday?) never played it since 2 days after. Even though my parents bought me that vinyl box set for the christmas that year.

Yet its still better than what followed. WHY did I buy sotsog WHY

not even the best Britpop song called Stay Young tbf

― pessimishaim (imago)

not even the best Britpop song with "Stay" in title.

if diana hadnt died their ballad from that album woulda been #1 and the album woulda done well but it stalled totally at that point.
fucking weird times.

Oh god yeah, the videos to all the Be Here Now singles are ludicrous, and no doubt cost quite a fair bit of money to make. It's pure speculation, but I reckon the video to 'All Around The World' alone cost far more to make than all of the Definitely Maybe-era videos combined.

It's the ultimate in style over substance, really: a lot of money and time was obviously put into the packaging of the album (and its singles), the videos, the stage set (probably the only time Oasis ever had stage props: the band walked onstage out of a phonebox, opened by a guy in a top hat with a pocketwatch, if I recall... a far cry from the no-frills approach of before), even the production of the record with all the strings and brass sections, the BBC making a documentary to launch the release of the album, the whole fucking security surrounding the album was insane...

All of this time, money and effort spent on presentation and building hype, and the parts which mattered were mostly phoned-in.

I saw them 3 times, the last time was the 2nd day of Loch Lomond. No stage props at all were needed. Tho video screens were at Loch Lomond but that was when they attracted the stadium rock crowd (and lost the indie kids with be here now) and the stadium rock fans need something more than 4 or 5 blokes just standing there.
Its weird as i knew tons of people who didnt like them on the first album "all hype" but once they got big gig size they were all over them. They only went to see rem/bon jovi/rhcp/eagles/rod stewart/u2 at the likes of hampden or murrayfield. and they would still go to those venues until they split.

Yet its still better than what followed. WHY did I buy sotsog WHY

― ۩, Friday, January 24, 2014 9:36 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The band should have called it a day before Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants, in my humble opinion. I mean, sure, Oasis had always been 'The Gallagher Brothers Show' to some degree, but they still very much were a band. Guigsy and Bonehead may not have contributed much musically to Oasis, but that particular line-up of Oasis (either with McCarroll or White) had a chemistry to them which disappeared entirely once Guigsy and Bonehead left. They felt like a brand from that point onwards, and it definitely wasn't the same.

btw i hope everyone realises britpop is not a real thing

Also some Oasis fans genuinely think the only band better than them is the beatles. I swear I cant think of a more close-minded set of fans now yet up until loch lomond tons of people hoped they would go dance and do a screamadelica. I wonder what would have happened if they had done that instead of be here now? Would dad rock have not happened? Or would OCS and Cast & co just got bigger than them?

OCS were one hit wonders when they played loch lomond/knebworth. Prodigy,chemical brothers played too and they got just as big as those dad rock bands that got big in the wake of oasis. So why did dad rock last longer?

i still think Hey Now from Morning Glory's 2nd verse is their worst ever lyrical moment and worse than any here, because it actually goes some way to ruin a halfway-brilliant song. to wit

The first thing I saw
As I walked through the door
Was a sign on the wall that read
It said you might never know
That I want you to know
What is written inside of your head

i mean..

the poll options itt are one of the funniest things i've ever seen on ilm, bravo turrican

A good friend of mine is an oasis nut, loves all their records. hes not too keen on be here now but reckons theres 3 or 4 good songs on it. although he couldnt even deny that the noel solo lp was bad. how bad must it have been?

xxxpost:

Ocean Colour Scene wouldn't have got anywhere without the endorsement of Paul Weller and Chris Evans. You have to remember, Ocean Colour Scene had already had one failed album behind them at that point (the self-titled album from 1992, which was more baggy than anything else). Paul Weller gave Steve Cradock work while Ocean Colour Scene were between record deals, and Chris Evans was basically responsible for championing 'The Riverboat Song' and having them on TFI Friday as often as possible. If not for the Weller & Evans endorsements, it's quite possible that Moseley Shoals still would have been more successful than the debut (people were still buying huge amounts of records after all), but it's equally possible that they just would have ended up as one of the endless amounts of Weller-endorsed acts that didn't do an awful lot.

Cast were probably signed because John Power used to be in The La's. Their debut album was released the same month as Morning Glory, and well before 'Wonderwall' was a hit, and ages before Ocean Colour Scene put Moseley Shoals out.

early OCS is real jarring when you've heard what came after. pretty good too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Py8h7poouQ

Also some Oasis fans genuinely think the only band better than them is the beatles. I swear I cant think of a more close-minded set of fans now yet up until loch lomond tons of people hoped they would go dance and do a screamadelica.

― ۩, Friday, January 24, 2014 10:00 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup, hardcore Oasis fans circa 2014 are idiots, pretty much. The weird thing is, I don't recall many people even connecting Oasis with The Beatles until after Definitely Maybe. Circa the first album Noel Gallagher seemed to be more keen about talking about The Sex Pistols or The Stone Roses or The Smiths.

And it's often forgotten that he did that collaboration with The Chemical Brothers ('Setting Sun') post-Morning Glory and that definitely fuelled rumours that Oasis were going to go all Screamadelica.

xpost:

Yeah, the first OCS album is by far the most interesting thing they ever did.

As soon as I heard the title Be Here Now I knew this was going to be total bullshit

What's funny is that Noel talked up All Around the World since at least 1994. Then you hear what a bloated mess it is.

Be Here Now (or Remember, Be Here Now) is a seminal 1971 book on spirituality, yoga and meditation by the Western-born yogi and spiritual teacher Ram Dass.

One of the funniest things about this album is remembering long time weekly/monthly music journos fawning over this record at the time.

the impressive thing is that there are like a hundred songs called 'all around the world' and oasis's still might be the worst.

Dele Fadele in Vox, I'm looking at you. 9/10 indeed.

Be Here Now (or Remember, Be Here Now) is a seminal 1971 book on spirituality, yoga and meditation by the Western-born yogi and spiritual teacher Ram Dass.

― OutdoorFish, Friday, January 24, 2014 10:30 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's likely that Noel Gallagher got the title from the George Harrison song, though, who no doubt got it from that book.

What's funny is that Noel talked up All Around the World since at least 1994. Then you hear what a bloated mess it is.

― Master of Treacle, Friday, January 24, 2014 10:28 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, it was one of the most eagerly awaited tracks on the album, if I recall, solely because Noel had talked the song up so much over the years. It was apparently slated to go on Morning Glory at one point, but ended up being bumped in favour of 'Champagne Supernova'. If I recall, he kept talking it up as the epic to end all epics, something that would need a colossally big budget to record. It just ended up being a bog-standard Oasis song with a 'Hey Jude' outro that went on forever with a hundred key changes.

In fact, the ending lyric "Pigs don't fly! Never say die!" really should have been an option here.

ah yeah, like wonderwall

don't think I've ever even heard "All Around the World" (never made it all the way through Be Here Now, I don't think).

Noel sez: "Imagine how much better Hey Jude would have been with three key changes towards the end." = lol

morning glory only got average reviews. 6/10 nme. 3/5 other places. so they overcompensated with be here now so they couldnt get caught out.
yet it was dogshit

I don't recall many people even connecting Oasis with The Beatles until after Definitely Maybe. Circa the first album Noel Gallagher seemed to be more keen about talking about The Sex Pistols or The Stone Roses or The Smiths.

absolutely right. Liam was ALL about sex pistols and buying the stone roses album twice. He never ever spoke of anyone else. then noel got into the beatles just before morning glory so liam did and it all went downhill

Crazy Horse's two guitar sound was a bigger influence on the first album and some of the second. Admitted by Noel at the time

always thought of Oasis as an amped-up, dumbed-down shoegaze band tbh

that may be one of the most offensive things I've ever read on ILM

LOL

Be Here Now was supposed to be Oasis attempt at The Who

as discussed on a previous thread the real influences were early 70s stuff like T Rex and Slade. I picked up a Blue Aeroplanes influence and this song (ironically called Paul McCartney) always makes me think of them, perhaps cos of the song Fade Away, which also reminds me of Freedom by Wham!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkwZ1m7qZ4M

Noel can't handle the epics really. Beyond his scope. Not even talking about the lyrics.

pretty sure britpop was a boomtime for bad lyrics. People thought Cast's cat sat on the mat lyrics were profound. lol

Also what was it with those mid-late 90s pre-occupation with "making the best albums ever " statements. some of the fans of those bands really did think they were among the greatest albums of all time. Ch4/Guardian/HMV ran a best albums of the Millennium and tons of these 90s albums placed really really high.

Album Of The Millennium

Autumn 1997 Channel 4 and HMV, in association with The Guardian newspaper, joined forces to find out what the British public considers to be the best music of this millennium. Every type of music was eligible: from the Beatles to Beethoven; from country to classical; from pop to hip hop. It was the most ambitious survey ever undertaken.

Sgt Pepper

1. The Beatles - Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
2. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
3. The Beatles - Revolver
4. Radiohead - The Bends
5. Oasis - What's The Story? (Morning Glory)
6. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
7. Radiohead - OK Computer
8. Nirvana - Nevermind
9. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
10. The Beatles - The White Album
11. Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks
12. The Beatles - Abbey Road
13. Miles Davis - A Kind Of Blue
14. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
15. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
16. Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde
17. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On?
18. R.E.M. - Automatic For The People
19. U2 - The Joshua Tree
20. David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust
21. Massive Attack - Blue Lines
22. Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground And Nico
23. Fleetwood - Mac Rumours
24. The Sex Pistols Never - Mind The Bollocks
25. Prodigy - The Fat Of The Land
26. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
27. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
28. Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill
29. Portishead - Dummy
30. Oasis - Be Here Now
31. Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
32. Primal Scream - Screamadelica
33. Paul Simon - Graceland
34. Pulp - Different Class
35. Joni Mitchell - Blue
36. The Clash - London Calling
37. Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
38. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street
39. The Beatles - Rubber Soul
40. Manic Street Preachers - Everything Must Go
41. Captain Beefheart And The Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
42. Love - Forever Changes
43. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
44. Lou Reed - Transformer
45. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
46. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
47. Meatloaf - Bat Out Of Hell
48. Blur - Parklife
49. Pink Floyd - The Wall
50. Joy Division - Closer
51. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
52. Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life
53. U2 - Achtung Baby
54. The Verve - Urban Hymns
55. George Michael - Older
56. The Clash - The Clash
57. Pixies - Doolittle
58. Bob Marley & The Wailers - Legend
59. Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms
60. Prodigy - Music For The Jilted Generation
61. The Band - The Band
62. Spice Girls - Spice
63. Leftfield - Leftism
64. Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced?
65. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
66. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
67. Michael Jackson - Thriller
68. Neil Young After - The Gold Rush
69. Queen - A Night At The Opera
70. The Doors - The Doors
71. Carole King - Tapestry
72. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
73. Prince - Sign Of The Times
74. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
75. Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home
76. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
77. Frank Sinatra - Songs For Swinging Lovers
78. Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
79. Patti Smith - Horses
80. The Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow
81. John Lennon - Imagine
82. Suede - Dog Man Star
83. Beck - Odelay
84. Ocean Colour Scene - Moseley Shoals
85. The Smiths - The Smiths
86. Jeff Buckley - Grace
87. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
88. Tricky - Maxinquaye
89. Van Morrison - Moondance
90. John Coltrane - Love Supreme
91. Bjork - Debut
92. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions….
93. R.E.M. - Out Of Time
94. Television - Marquee Moon
95. Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes
96. Michael Jackson - HIStory
97. DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
98. The Verve - A Northern Soul
99. The Eagles - Hotel California
100. Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

I love that stone roses album BUT COME ON

Britpop was full of god-awful lyrics, but Spandau Ballet's are the standard of shit lyrics that have yet to be beaten, IMO.

bob geldof and justine from elastica were on the tv panel discussing the countdown. they argued a lot

i always found the Radiohead placings hilarious

yeah, I love the first Stone Roses album, but the second best LP in a thousand years? Not really...

Xpost

on this and such polls like Q have every month

I remember that Album of the Millennium thing and Geldolf being snotty to Justine a lot.

oh fuck off

a challops that big needs an incredible piece of writing to justify it, not that piece of meandering pointless shit

I was too young to notice when this band was a thing everyone had to care about but my encounters with fans in the intervening years have been so overwhelmingly negative that I feel like I almost lived through it- but I hoped even the fans hated this one enough that we could avoid the cycle this time. how naive

no offence to the oasis fans who aren't the most aggressively incurious britrock worshipping racist homophobic misogynist loudmouth wankers in britain I know you're out there but I'm sure you're aware of the scale of the problem

Don’t go away sounds like a Train song

I bought it on the day it was released, was a huge deal for me. I think “getting better (man)” was my favorite track

p good album

the excess is the whole point.
i love this album.

yeah v much the only Oasis album I need

What do you think of Don’t Go Away? What are you hearing?

that's one of the worst songs on the album yes

https://neilk.substack.com/p/on-oasis-the-gallaghers-d4abcb889d59

yes, a classic bit of polemic

I still like most of this album and the song 'morning glory', was also impressed hearing 'roll with it' in the supermarket recently, happy to leave the rest

lose 'don't go away', 'i hope i think i know', 'the girl in the dirty shirt' and it's all hits, a blistering soup of N Gallagher overdubbed twelve times, the plaintive miasma of cool britannia in its greatest throes, the immersive folly of the scene that truly celebrated itself

a challops that big needs an incredible piece of writing to justify it, not that piece of meandering pointless shit

― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length),

uh am I misreading you? Sheffield trashed it.

“Don’tcha know”

i love the whole morning glory album, it truly spoke to me in silly ways when i was in high school. i imported a gigantic liam gallagher poster and hung it above my bed. ian curtis on the opposite wall. weird opposing heroes, but they both spoke to me. Be Here Now i bought on the day it came out. i thought "this fucking sucks". when Standing on the Shoulder (uggggggh) came out it seemed like a massive improvement, although now when i listen back, nope, that one sucks too. Oasis the band died at the end of Champagne Supernova. That fadeout is the sound of them going away to die. their ghouls reappeared on Be Here Now, it's their "excess" album, but really it's just their coke album, and it sounds exactly like that -- massive dickheads leaping way beyond their scope of knowledge, truly believing that every idiotic word that comes to mind is actually truly powerful on some level. no one listens to oasis for the lyrics (? right?) but the songs weren't there either, so they just did the really tedious act of stretching out every single song to the limit and playing things over and over, hoping to find new meaning in the 18th repetition, which somehow works when it's spacemen 3 but does not at all when it's oasis.

definitely maybe 8
morning glory 10
be here now 2

i actually really like ‘d’you know what i mean’ but yet have never felt the urge to listen to the rest of it

there are good songs on it but listening to it sucks

be here now is at least better than most of what came afterward but that's not saying very much.

the tunes are mostly decent, you can at least hear how it could have been worthwhile if they weren't so coked out making it. it's a kinda fascinating artefact

i saw Oasis three times -

once in 1994 when Live Forever had just been released - this was very exciting vibe-wise although I felt (and still feel) a little bemused by the hype

once in I dunno early 2000s when Andy Bell was playing bass (?!) - this was fine, I didn't pay much attention, it was at a festival

but they played in Sydney in 1998 at the end of the Be Here Now tour and it was once of the flattest/worst performances from a major band I have ever seen - just woeful. I think Noel Gallagher apologised later for how shit it was.

"We were appalling last time," he said. "We owe the Australians one. If anyone saw us, they saw the band at its worst. I'm desperate to get back there to set the record straight. An Australian tour is pencilled in. If people will have us, we'll definitely come back."

"When we were in Australia [in 1998], it was meltdown time. By the time we got there we'd been on the road for seven months. There was a lot of drinking and nonsense. We'd had enough of touring. We'd been doing it for four or five years and it was one tour too many. If we had the chance to go back to Australia, I'd be the first on the plane."

From here

Stoked to have seen this historically important show!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn) at 11:35 21 Aug 22

a challops that big needs an incredible piece of writing to justify it, not that piece of meandering pointless shit

― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length),

uh am I misreading you? Sheffield trashed it.