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gonna ruin somebody's day by saying this but when kozelek gets to near-rapping he sounds like the dude from Everclear

― da croupier, Monday, February 3, 2014 10:08 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol this is pretty otm

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 03:30 (ten years ago) link

It's not just the lyrics that are noteworthy for their oddness. Those backing vocals on "I Love My Dad" for instance are, uh, a choice. I guess. And I could have gone with more Will Oldham and less multitracked Koz.

Simon H., Tuesday, 4 February 2014 03:32 (ten years ago) link

so, lyrically, here's where sun kil moon is at its best. there's this hazy, hypnotic guitar-driven song, with kozelek singing about loving mundane things, like watching late-night cable and debates over which old pro-boxer was more hated or more loved, and nostalgic things, about behaving like his dad before him. it's wistful, a little sad, a little sweet, and makes me think about what it means to grow older. then, bam.

I buried my first victim
When I was nineteen
Went through her bedroom
And the pockets of her jeans
And found her letters
That said so many things
That really hurt me bad

I never breathed
Her name again
But I like to dream
About what could have been
I never heard her calls again
But I like to dream

now maybe this is a metaphor for kozelek breaking up with a girlfriend. that's a possible reading. but it seems too literal to me for that. and what a swerve. most of his lyrics i love for the reasons appearing above the block-quote, but kozelek has the ability to really surprise.

by the way, setting aside the serial-killer lines, the rest of the song today made me think of how much i miss my maternal grandfather (died when i was 10) and grandmother (died when i was in my 30s), how much i'd give to speak to them, even one more time, again, and how much they'd love my daughter.

Daniel, Esq 2, Thursday, 6 February 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link

I'm loving this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejBfyKd3WSs

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Thursday, 6 February 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link

Daniel I've had pretty much the exact same feelings about that song. The murder angle is jarring but so well done. And the nostalgic imagery just before it has always grabbed me in the same way.

Evan, Thursday, 6 February 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link

the live version of "I Love My Dad" on the bonus disc is hilarious

Kozelek - "Do you guys get that reference or not? Edgar Winter was an albino..."

Lone audience member - "woo!"

Kozelek - *annoyed grunt*

Number None, Friday, 7 February 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link

Hahaha! Picking this up today at the shop I used to work at.

Evan, Friday, 7 February 2014 18:41 (ten years ago) link

this album is really fucking good

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 February 2014 05:00 (ten years ago) link

can't stop listening to this

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 04:20 (ten years ago) link

iiiii haaaaate thissss recorrrrd

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 04:21 (ten years ago) link

lol

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 04:23 (ten years ago) link

why

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 04:23 (ten years ago) link

is the nels cline hating a joke?

akm, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 08:24 (ten years ago) link

What do you have against Nels Cline? This is the second time you’ve brought him up in one of your albums. Has he tried to retaliate? Do you secretly like him?

Honestly, I don’t know anything about him. I saw Wilco live only once, in New Orleans, and on TV once. I decided to name off a bunch of guitarists I liked, in the chorus of “Bramble,” but then thought it would be more dynamic if I named a few I hated. The thing is, I don’t hate anybody. His name just rhymed with whatever came before it, and people laughed. So on Benji, I did it again. I do things twice, sometimes, like how I did “UK Blues” and “UK Blues 2.”

Number None, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 09:04 (ten years ago) link

i dont understand why someone would hate this record, unless you dont like mark kozelek's music. and if thats the case, then why the fuck are you listening to it?

everyday sheeple (Michael B), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link

I can understand someone loving ghosts and not liking this record

the Norwegians are leaving! (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link

he also mentions Panera Bread twice and his uncle twice on this record

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link

that is fantastic

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link

i have a little trouble reconciling the deep-redneck trash-burning uncle and the presumably exurban panera bread flirting dad. maybe they are from different branches of the family. kozelek cosmology. also this record is great.

adam, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link

I don't know where you're getting "exurban" -- it says elsewhere on the record that he was an eighth grade dropout. Panera Breads are everywhere. You see truckers getting coffee at rest-stop starbucks. I feel like you're speaking from kind of a narrow idea of what a working/middle class family might look like.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link

i dont understand why someone would hate this record, unless you dont like mark kozelek's music. and if thats the case, then why the fuck are you listening to it?

― everyday sheeple (Michael B), Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:24 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can understand someone loving ghosts and not liking this record

― the Norwegians are leaving! (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:25 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah within the Kozelek world this record is very distinct, even if the MK/Desertshore record was a direct "warm up" that lead to it.

AFP and Benji are so similar on the outside but are so very different in context.

Evan, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link

Some people have been pointing out the Newtown song as the weak spot of the album, but I think he does something kind of neat with it that relates to a larger theme of the record. When he talks about the Norway killer, there's a great moment where he says "they didn't really care, but I did (pause) cause I got a lot of friends out there." At first you think "but I did" is a self-righteous thing, but it's actually about his personal connection to the tragedy. In the same way, he writes about Newtown not because he heard it on the news, but because a fan (from Newtown I think) wrote to him and asked him to pray about it, so once that connection was made he felt compelled to do something. It all ties back to the line in Song Remains "whenever anything close to me at all in the world died/ To my heart, forever, it would be tied." Same force that motivates him to write a song for the second cousin he didn't know well, and for his dad's friend who he spent the day with.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link

he doesn't rap on ghosts

caek, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I totally read that song to drive the concept that we shouldn't let moments of tragedy leave our thoughts even when time has passed or something happy is happening to us personally. As a way to stay grounded? Not necessarily to keep depression perpetual throughout our lives- which a Kozelek non-fan might joke.

Evan, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link

can't stop listening to this

― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 15:20 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Same. So good.

sonderborg, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

I love the short, descending string melody (mandolin?) in Carissa - it's like he gave her her own "theme" as part of the eulogy.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:20 (ten years ago) link

sry it's nylon string guitar

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:24 (ten years ago) link

i tried to listen to this in the shop but somehow i think there is a maximum of kozelek albums you need in your life and i have surpassed it. in the end it is always the first ep and the rollercoaster album i come back to. his vocal delivery on the new one really turns me off. he has completely given up singing, it is not even sprechgesang anymore here. and i am not too interested in his personal stories.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link

they have panera bread at truck stops?

adam, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 01:59 (ten years ago) link

it's even in ohio. story checks out.

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link

is that a picture of heaven?

it is so beautiful.

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 02:12 (ten years ago) link

lol

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 02:17 (ten years ago) link

"Whut the hell is a Panera Bread. I'm hungry, I'mma go keel me a possum"

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link

serves the possum right. they're super-gross.

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 02:20 (ten years ago) link

xp wait is that supposed to be someone from Ohio?

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 02:23 (ten years ago) link

no it's supposed to be someone's ridiculously wrongheaded idea of a "redneck" in the 21st century

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link

ah, i get it now

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link

nels lived in SF for ages I'm surprised he doesn't know anything about him.

akm, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link

i also took the noodly guitar stuff after "i hate nels cline" to be parody

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link

which would require some familiarity

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link

I have no doubt he knows him better than he lets on, but I doubt there's any big story behind it

Number None, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link

mark kozelek auditioned for wilco in 2004 when he was beaten in a crossroads-style guitar battle with nels cline

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link

I just figured he was a good figurehead for muso guitarists within his relative musical universe, and also his name fits lyrics well.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link

It's funny to say "I'm no Nels Cline" because of the particular position Nels Cline occupies. It's better than saying "Yngwie" or something like that.

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link

i work at it every day, and i can bake a mean pumpernickel. but i'm no panera bread.

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link

so "Ben's My Friend" is basically kozelek's remix of "Semi-Charmed Life"

4. Nels Cline and My Uncle Eat Soup at Panera Bread (3:37) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link

I don't mean this as an insult, but you could basically write "RILY: Eels, Soul Coughing, Everlast" about this record and it wouldn't be wrong

Evan R, Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link


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