Radiohead - Kid A / Amnesiac Poll

protest vote for none of this shit

er, feels like you guys are treading dangerously close to Geir territory here.

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

God, no. Absolutely not, and I'd hate for anyone to think that that was the case. Geir deeply hated Kid A for a start, and I don't.

In fact, this is reminding me of what I found so confounding about the general reaction to Kid A "back in the day"... because looking at the tracklisting, every track on the album has a strong core to it. It's a well-produced and superbly arranged album, but it isn't lacking in strong songs or pieces of music that have a strong core to them. Even 'Treefingers' has a structured chord progression.

'Morning Bell' is a case in point: on both Kid A and Amnesiac, it's attempted in two different ways. On Kid A, it's in 5/4 and has the "drum riff" in a more of a "band" type of arrangement, whereas on Amnesiac it's in 4/4 and more mournful. Of course, I prefer the version on Kid A, but the core of the song is so strong that it works either way.

since when has deems obtained to that wide-eyed experimental sensibility that geir was famous for

i am curious about the outcome of this poll. it will surely be a landslide victory for "pyramid song", no?

I have absolutely no idea how this poll is going to go, tbh! I expect 'Pyramid Song' to be up there, though... not sure about a landslide victory.

Strictly speaking, the "song" is the lead melody and the lyrics. Everything else, including the chord progression, falls under arrangement (which is partially why organists will often do alternate harmonizations for the final verse of a hymn that the congregation and choir are singing in unison).

Certain melodies lend themselves to certain chord progressions, often to the point where distinguishing between them is unreasonable, but if you want to boil a song down to it's essence you only really need to care about the melody. Part of why this type of essentialism doesn't work for me is one of my favorite songs is Depeche Mode's "Never Let Me Down Again", which is two alternating notes that gain color and interest based on the chord progression it sits on top of and how the melodic note plays a different function in each chord of the arrangement. Saying that NLMDA doesn't work without the chord progression misses the huge point that the entire piece was built around the chord progression and the overall gestalt is what makes it so powerful musically.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Oh, well I assumed Idioteque was going to win.

wau everything got voted for!

Wow, everything got at least one vote! Very surprised to see 'Pulk/Pull Revolving Doors' higher than 'Motion Picture Soundtrack', 'You and Whose Army?' and 'Optimistic' though!

Generally speaking, songs with cores are really boring! Rhizomatic music all the way.

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and 'Packt Like Sardines', for that matter!

'pakt like...' is the perfect balance of weird sounds + spare arrangement + hooky writing for me, i loved it from the first time i heard it.

my vote ('kid a') did pretty well!

as for the song = melody/lyrics thing, i guess that's a formal music education definition, which is fine. my first thought is "what about drone music? those aren't 'songs'?" but i suppose i'm taking you guys too literally. the geir thing came in because iirc when pressed on issues like that he'd stick to his guns and be like "no, rap songs are NOT songs. melody is everything. genesis is the greatest band of all time"

ok who was the other In Limbovoter so I can high five them

"what about drone music? those aren't 'songs'?"

If you're talking about instrumental drone music, then no, they aren't, except by the iTunes definition of "songs".

right, which i get. i guess the way i roll is that that i that i DO think of them as songs! and i think that's how most people think of "songs"! but again, i'm not taking a music 101 quiz or anything, so i realize that's not the strict definition.

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god DAMMIT sorry

*whips out camcorder and films plastic bag in the wind*

but actually I agree with Karl here

jazz covers of radiohead is a whole thing unto itself, but they can be cool for highlighting parts that might have gotten obscured by the instrumentation for some people. i hadn't seen this before, i like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSw7TXt3DZE

Interesting that the biggest "hit" on either of these albums came in last

Hi fives to Simon H

xpost - huh? I thought Idioteque and Pyramid Song were the 'hits'

"Optimistic" was pushed out to US radio and semi-inescapable on alternative/modern rock stations for a hot minute

I agree that "Pyramid Song" and "Idioteque" ended up being bigger impact songs, though

Fair dos. Yeah, I think if I were to name a third 'hit' it would have been 'How To Disappear' whihc got played on Radio 1 a bit before the album came out.

IIRC they also released "Knives Out" and "I Might Be Wrong"

I'd say 'Idioteque' got the most airplay of the Kid A tracks in the UK. Can't recall 'Optimistic' getting much, if any exposure here.

Amnesiac to me is where they lost the plot. I get that it's similar in a sense to Kid A, but that one's cohesive in a way this isn't. "Pyramid Song" is amazing but otherwise it's total garb

just thought of this cuz I think of Radiohead whenever Coldplay drops a new album for some strange reason

lol didn't see someone already said "lose the plot" way up there

Kid A is my favorite Radiohead though so I can't agree with the plot-losage there

Do you like the post-amnesiac stuff?

I like about half of Yorke's solo album.

My basic problem with their material post-Amnesiac is that they tried to reintroduce guitars into their sound while still retaining the more "experimental" electronic streak of that album/Kid A and to my ears it's not meshed well. Theoretically it could and since Kid A's my favorite I'm not someone clamoring for a return to The Bends/OK Computer or whatnot, but yeah.

Amnesiac b-sides are mostly a waste of time, but man, how great is 'Fog'?

Relistened to Amnesiac recently and was reminded of how much I love "Dollars and Cents". Krautrock RH = Best RH.

Amnesiac b-sides are mostly a waste of time, but man, how great is 'Fog'?

would be their best set of bsides for "fog" and "cuttooth" alone, but also "kinetic" and "worrywort"!

concur as "kinetic" is probably the only track from that era i ever go back to. i remember "the amazing sounds of orgy" having a really great haunting groove.

i would love a long sprawling instrumental radiohead album full of fucked up fragmented shit like "pulk/pull" and "hunting bears"

Lol at t4 votes for pulk/pull and troll votes for hunting bears and treefingers.

LOL at 'Optimistic' only getting one vote

I think 'Treefingers' is great, and absolutely perfect as an interlude between the first and second halves of Kid A. 'Hunting Bears' feels like filler in comparison.

Agreed. I love that 'Treefingers' is supposedly all effected guitar, no synths.

They're good interludes but they're interludes. Picking them on top of the rest of their respective albums is vexing.

Treefingers is amazing, interlude or no. I don't think it's a troll vote at all (though I didn't vote for it). I wish I were like eight minutes long.

I also wish IT was eight minutes long

I wish Like Spinning Plates was 9 hours, like an Andy Warhol movie.

Taste is subjective. I love treefingers but I wouldn't choose it over any of the other songs in Kid A. Even the hidden track after MPS sounds better to me. To each its own. If you think treefingers is the best song on Kid A, then go listen to one of Eno's ambient albums and prepare to have your mind blown.

I hate the 'Like Spinning Plates' version on Amnesiac always end up skipping it. It's cool how it was made but I prefer the piano version on IMBW. Would prefer if they had made something more similar to that on the studio. It sounded interesting 15 years ago but it's one of their experiments that hasn't aged that good imho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqZM71MXNfs

live Fog; even better!

most of the second side of Amnesiac (save Glass House) leaves me cold. It's like a warm up for TKOL or something.

Dollars and Cents is a real hidden gem though.