xpost I actually appreciate this attitude. Rather someone is upfront about what they don't know than someone who pretends they know what they're talking about but clearly hasn't got a clue. But there are two extremes here - there's "I know everything about everything" and there's "Duh, what are these funny spinny disc things, LOL" - both quite frustrating. A good writer does their best to fact check and research the gaps in their knowledge. I get that that's not the point of this blog - it feels more 'live-blogged' than anything else, so there's no time for background research. It can be viewed a bunch of ways I guess, I just don't know if it's more about music or more about being a newcomer to a subject or about couple relationships or about gender issues. To me it doesn't seem to fall happily into any of these categories and that's why people are arguing about it.
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Monday, 17 March 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
imo both of these people are 100% completely complicit in their own boring life together
― 69, Monday, 17 March 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
Well I did enjoy the exchange between fictional insufferable ppl in waterface's parody quote up there, a+
guess what
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 17 March 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
i don't get the term "faux-naif". sometimes it seems like people use this term to describe people who are just being upfront about the stuff they don't know, and in my view the best nonfiction writing does that.
― Treeship, Monday, March 17, 2014 4:46 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're being faux-naif when you claim you don't know what this means
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 17 March 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
who, me?
― Treeship, Monday, 17 March 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
speaking of fictional &c
― post-nodern music player (wins), Monday, 17 March 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
the quote i posted was real
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
from the blog
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
seriously though i think certain branches of the faux naif blog voice are intended as an antidote to the kind of writing you see so much of on the internet, where everyone is caustic and defensive and would rather lash out at people than admit weak spots in their arguments.
― Treeship, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
what a disaster for Albert Ayler
― coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
"Well, yeah"
― Mark G, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
The ayler piece at one point says "There is a lot of writing on the sleeve and back cover". I am all for affected styles, but lets not kid ourselves, that is an affectation.
― eric banana (s.clover), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
― Treeship, Monday, March 17, 2014 1:01 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there is also the passive aggressive faux naive bloggy voice which is my favorite, and also the VERY SHOUTY one with extravagant catachresis and that's not bad either.
― eric banana (s.clover), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link
lol christ xp
― post-nodern music player (wins), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
Catachresis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaCatachresis is the name of many different types of figure of speech in which a word or phrase vastly has departed from traditional usage. Contents.Classification - Examples - Derrida, Spivak - See also
― Mark G, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
xp cloves, the latter one isn't faux naif though. the shouty folks write like idiots but they never for a second approach their topics with humility or openness or even feign doing this.
― Treeship, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
See, the thing is...
If I started a vaguely humorous blog about music, I might get a bunch of youse to have a butchers at it every so often.
Beyond that, who cares?
But then again, if I actually managed to get a 'readership', I daresay a bunch of people might decide to criticise what I say, but as I have no actual qualifications to prove or disprove my standpoint, most would not care either way.
If I got described as 'faux-naif', I think I'd pack it in.
But that's unlikely to happen, is it? Being described as faux-naif, I mean.
― Mark G, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
Treeship, go post on the fucking Saddle Creek board or something
― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
cool
― Treeship, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
i don't get the term "faux-naif". sometimes it seems like people use this term to describe people who are just being upfront about the stuff they don't know, and in my view the best nonfiction writing does that.― Treeship, Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Treeship, Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
get on our level already, you've been here long enough, i'm not buying this
― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
even the most cloying faux-naive voice is a million times more tolerable than certain message-board standbys like oh I don't know
get on our level
― (or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
http://typophile.com/files/ryan%20get%20on%20my%20level.jpg
― Evan, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
treeship do you even lift?
― balls, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
Jeez guys the term is "falsely naive"
― continually topping myself (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
Is there a thread categorizing the types of forum posts
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
guys the term is credulity-frontin'
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 17 March 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
the hardman crew reserve the right to get their terms wrong in order to demonstrate their hardman bona fides
― (or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link
faux sure
― coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
lol
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
idk maybe i'd be less salty about this if there were like more women who knew their shit writing about music and having it shared all over the place. MAYBE! </naïf>
― maura, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wrL9z3Kvww
― maura, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link
sorry, i'm so salty, Treeship
tough love
*hugs*
― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
you catch more flies with honey, WGW
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
ime the type of ppl sharing this and going nuts over it are mostly dudes who are really proud when their hobbies are seen as weird or inscrutable
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
whatever, music is weird. *giggles*
― eric banana (s.clover), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
ime, it's you guys
― post-nodern music player (wins), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
This is not humming music, but then it does start sounding like a familiar patriotic song that I can’t put my finger on, but still really messy and almost like a band doing sound check. It also occasionally sounds like the trumpet that’s played before a hunt or a horse race.
'sounding like a familiar patriotic song that I can't put my finger on' is a good way to describe some of ayler's compositions, and the idea of the trumpet functioning like a kind of call to arms - a summoning - is gd, too, it just kind of gets buried under a lot of more ho-hum stuff.
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link
Can we all just take a minute to salute those writers who strike the old "disarming honesty" pose have the courage to stand up and say "know what? I don't know everything." Sure, they risk the ridicule of snarky internet bullies, but in admitting their shortcomings aren't these authors more human, more humble, more - goshdarn it, I'll say it - more noble?
― post-nodern music player (wins), Monday, 17 March 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link
are you being serious?
― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
everything
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link
in the era of Google, anyone writing for a paycheck — no matter how small — that plays what Maura calls "unfrozen caveman rock critic" deserves the ridicule they get
― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link
ILX, where "admitting your blind spots" is a controversial stance.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:04 (ten years ago) link
now i may just be a simple country hyper chicken but
― eric banana (s.clover), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link
the courage to take the time to learn things before you write them
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link
also idk this is almost too immaterial to really say but the popularity of this tumblr is going to determine the tone and quality of writing elsewhere
My Husband's Stupid Record Collection Happened To Me
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
Lol whiney what the hell level are you even on
― post-nodern music player (wins), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:12 (ten years ago) link
since time immemorial whiney has been on that other level
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:13 (ten years ago) link
It's not like I was being subtle about it
― post-nodern music player (wins), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:15 (ten years ago) link
― continually topping myself (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, March 17, 2014 12:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
can't we just keep pretending it means "honestly naive" or whatever the hell Treeship is thinking it does
― have a nice blood (mh), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link
tbrr tho she's not being "falsely naive"/faux-naif but "deliberately ignorant", the tone of the piece is written about 'look how ignorant I am about this music'; a writer being proud of one's ignorance is not something that even WGW is above
― continually topping myself (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link