don't pick on those seventh graders, they meant well
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
they're adults now
― sarahell, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link
fucking hell, you're righti am old
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
but seriously, wouldn't millions of people rather read what my 68 year old mom thinks of Orthrelm than some neckbeardy professional music writer?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
they're jaded hipsters now.
― how's life, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
probably normcore tbh
Alright, found it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5MZV29xotU
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5MZV29xotU
is "normcore" a thing outside of nyc?
― We hugged with no names exchanged (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah. i'm in a suburban starbucks right now and nearly everyone here is totally normcore.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
whiney, you really need to caption a pic of Treeship's dog.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link
treeship does your dog sometimrs forget the second half of your name and pee on you by accident
― waterbabies (waterface), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link
#pioneer
http://skotrok.blogspot.com/2012/01/rufus-and-scott-review-90s-indie-rock.html
― scott seward, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link
Is that the website in which Maria asks skot about his record and paperback collections?
― I Forgot More Than You'll Ever POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link
scott's writing is the best because he's heard all kinds of wild shit and writes impressions off the cuff
I most appreciate when he makes a comparison to something I'd never think was related but it totally makes sense
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
scott's writing is like faux-naive-cubed, or it's not really faux-naive at all, it's just super loosened up, almost unhinged
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I don't think it's naive at all, just loose
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
its fuckin sweet is what it is
― waterbabies (waterface), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link
yeah it has an "i've listened to too much music and gone a bit mad" quality that makes it charming, although I'm gonna stop now bc I feel weird about talking in the third person about you scott as you are in this thread
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:49 (ten years ago) link
sup scott
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
Hey Maura, it's Rob K, yr former co-worker.
What is the result that you want out of this? Should the woman apologize for doing a project that caught more eyeballs than likely she and annoying "OOH look at my All in the Family record, that will impress the WFMU dealers" husband did. Was she supposed to know that doing this project was going to play into an admittedly fraught context that makes making a living for you me and a lot of people reading this even more difficult? Should she have been stopped from doing the project? the internet, mass culture and the interstice of both frequently result in stupid shit: being defensive about a project this admittedly unlettered and hapless woman enacted with no malice that I can discern seems counter-productive.
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
well this didn't just get totally uncomfortable and weird
― katherine, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
Wasn't under the impression that she was unlettered? 400 books, etc.
― how's life, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
What is the result that you want out of this?
this like one step above accusing someone of being pro-censorship because they object to some discriminatory or prejudicial aspect of a song or film or etc
― Treeship, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
really glad a man stepped in to speak truth to power
― open-y, ob-la-da (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
this admittedly unlettered and hapless woman
...um, did I just read this?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
http://eyesareout.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/meh-ro7354.gif
― open-y, ob-la-da (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
unlettered and hapless!
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
90% of music reviewers are male writers of all kinds10% are twee women
the problem isn't the twee woman
delete yourself
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
sorry, that should read "music reviewers that are widely shared this week"
there are women who are excellent music reviewers who do it for a living but they're getting a lot less attention than this one
― have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:40 (ten years ago) link
This was a fun thread once
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link
look I'm not going to play the zing game with you guys: sneering is the default setting for Mr W, and I do not wish to develop skills as such.
I was asking this of ME, as I used to work with her, and I tried to phrase it respectfully and not mansplainy. As for the question re: the result, I'm curious and I fail to see how the above phrasing is at all accusatory. 72 hours into this and there seems to be unwarranted defensiveness; it's chum for a nest of disaffected rock critics feeding off one another, struggling to accept that that writing about music for $$$ is more difficult than it used to be.
If ME feels like me addressing her as a former colleague is uncool, then my bad. Here and on my FB feed there are debates that are raging re; this, and I wanted for her to see my question without wading through tons of comments, and this seemed to be the easiest way to achieve that.
Mr raggett and Mr Sotosyn : "hapless" and "unlettered" refers to the woman's observations on music. She said stuff that was dumb, which I thought is the reason that everyone is annoyed with the project? I forgot momentarily that she is a librarian.
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link
debates are raging/dudes are mansplaning
― waterbabies (waterface), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:53 (ten years ago) link
popcorn.gif
― chive on you crazy diamond (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link
I like how the initials make it read like cookie monster
― POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
see I don't know about her intentions but her reviews read to me like she was playing a part, and I didn't see the point in her doing so.
writing about music for $$$ is more difficult than it used to be.
you don't say!
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
ook I'm not going to play the zing game with you guys: sneering is the default setting for Mr W, and I do not wish to develop skills as such.
go hard or go home
― open-y, ob-la-da (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
its 2014 ffs have we not gotten over mansplain
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link
No, because it is something that actually exists, contrary to what you and I have experienced as men.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
hi rob! i think i've said like 10x that i just wish women who weren't writing with a ladyblog-ready gimmick would get even half as much shine as this site has. i really do think viral culture has made the marketplace for reading a lot more stereotype-cleaving, and the reaction to this site only makes my theory more plain.
(and her defensiveness about nobody talking to her seems misplaced, since her husband was more than ready to leap to her defense on twitter and metafilter and other places too.)
― maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
― open-y, ob-la-da (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
srsly you don't step in the arena and then say I'm not here to gladiate
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
(to wit: https://twitter.com/maura/status/445769042633445376)
― maura, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link
omg got murgsplained
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:03 (ten years ago) link
Unlettered and Hapless should have been what Morrissey called his autobiography.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link
Wanted to ask some M some questions. didn't come to fuck with anyone, gladiate, whatever it is you henny youngmans do…
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:06 (ten years ago) link
do you not got email on that thing
― j., Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link
henny youngmans
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link
i'd have to read a lot more of the tumblr to get a more solid opinion, which i probably won't do, so gr80 otm probably. wu-wei, man.
i'd be more forgiving if the writing were more insightful about the music, if there was some spark there about what happens in the room when these particular records are playing. but on that level it didn't grab me.
or if there was some kind of interesting or funny window into these two people's lives as such but what's there didn't do much for me either -- admittedly this falls into a bunch of minefields and i doubt i'd be moved by something more 'personal' anyway.
i haven't ventured out into the wider internet on this (let alone FB, fuck) but there's absolutely no doubt this woman is generating a shitton of misogynist energy in response. that's bullshit, of course. but i don't see any of the posters here on ilx engaging in that. i really don't. this couple is already a living breathing ilx stereotype and the thread here has been pretty respectful of them as people.
again i think j. and maura have been pretty much right: both in form and in content this is another example of one li'l bit of america's elite talking about itself to itself w/o much wit or zip to make it worth it.
― goole, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link
is this thing really all that viral anyway? I haven't heard about it from anyone outside of this thread.
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:11 (ten years ago) link
*christopher nolan twist*
― treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 March 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link