Mama Can't Buy You Love: The Official ILM Track-By-Track ELTON JOHN 1978-1988 Listening Thread

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We're in Reg Strikes Back territory, another comeback.

He's lost the ability to rock persuasively, and the arrangement is hamhanded (the synth stabs are gross; his voice is swathed in echo). Not terrible but I wouldn't play it again. And dig the "Kids Incorporated" video.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 March 2014 12:48 (ten years ago) link

looks like i'm gonna have to hear Jump Up then.

piscesx, Saturday, 29 March 2014 13:13 (ten years ago) link

thank God we're out of the mullet years at last. Starting to see the "grand dame" Elton look of the '90s emerge.

this one's overbearing: EJ pushes the verse as loudly as he does the chorus and he hectors you half the time, while the production buries the (admittedly irritating) keyboard hooks. Bernie does his part by rhyming "media" with "media"

col, Saturday, 29 March 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link

"A Word in Spanish"

http://youtu.be/QUBDJ3Kyv0c

http://img.youtube.com/vi/QUBDJ3Kyv0c/0.jpg

The second single but I don't remember it.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 March 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link

video reminds me of "Domino Dancing" -- young man as object of lust in tropical climate.

As for the song, it would be prettier if he didn't sing it like a carnival barker.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 March 2014 13:02 (ten years ago) link

yeah, what's with the oversinging on this album so far? It's like after the vocal chord operation he's hell-bent on exploiting his restored pipes. Plus maybe some delight from being out of his marriage & David Geffen's grasp (a bio has EJ calling his Geffen era "six years of pure hell")

"Spanish" goes on a minute longer than it needs to, and Johnstone's "Spanish" acoustic guitar solo is as inevitable as it's dull, but there does seem to be a touch more life in these songs than in the past trio of albums.

col, Sunday, 30 March 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link

"Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters, Part 2"

http://youtu.be/k8gAY-NM6Hg

http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Galleries/Elton%20John/elton-22-sized.jpg

I couldn't find it separate from the classic original.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 March 2014 12:04 (ten years ago) link

yeesh, hearing those back to back does the sequel little favors. Again with the bellowing, again w/the hateful synth stabs, and there's barely a melody in the chorus. Because there's just not enough going on in overworked thing, we get a few quotes ("CIT-AY!" like Stevie Wonder; a "Drive My Car" beep-beep-yeah) too. At a loss, EJ turns things over to Freddie Hubbard, who gasses on for about a minute.

col, Monday, 31 March 2014 13:28 (ten years ago) link

"boy, i hope he plays 'Mad Hatters Part 2 tonight!" said no one at an Elton John concert ever

col, Monday, 31 March 2014 13:29 (ten years ago) link

it made me realize what a thing of beauty the original is.

what's with the "Wrap Her Up" production?

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 March 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link

the original is my favorite elton john song. those two-part harmonies with himself melt me. "part 2" is no "your gold teeth 2," let's just say that.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 31 March 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link

Elton in the wild: "Nikita" softly playing over the PA in the supermarket this morning

col, Monday, 31 March 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link

"I Don't Wanna Go on With You Like That"

http://youtu.be/Wyi9AbfUa1E

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Wyi9AbfUa1E/hqdefault.jpg

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 11:03 (ten years ago) link

A #2 in America, his biggest hit under his own name since "Don't Go Breaking My Heart." I can't deny how generic it sounds on, but after years of Taupin's excesses the simplicity of the lyric reads like poetry. Elton's first great vocal in years too ("one more set OF BOOTS on your welcome MAT"). As a kid the finger snap percussion fascinated me; it didn't sound like anything else at the time. Finally, an excellent (and again simple) keyboard solo from EJ himself. Everyone sounds like he's having fun.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 11:05 (ten years ago) link

My parents used to always have the AC stations on in the car growing up, and they played a lot of 80's and 90's Elton John (and not much of his 70's). "I Don't Wanna Go On" was one of my favorite tracks of his at the time, and it still holds up pretty well. I like the chord change in the chorus on "I just wanna tell you honey" that lightens up the song for just a second. For some reason, the simple structure works much better for me here than in say, "Sad Songs". And yeah, the ending solo is great.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:31 (ten years ago) link

The song has vanished though. I don't hear it at all, and even at the time it was a bigger video hit 'round my part of the world.

Protegé George Michael and his "Monkey" kept it from #1 btw.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link

My frustrations so far w/Reg Strikes Back was that I'd hoped it be a lot more like the single, instead of following the mid-'80s Elton formula of hit + sorta-okays + dreck.

But "I Don't Wanna Go On" holds up---EJ sounds pissed, even saucy ("got plans to make me one'a FOUR or FIVE") his agitation matched by the ceaseless thwacks on the off-beats and how he keeps shuffling back the refrain so that there's never a break in the fight (so the bridge, when it finally appears, is a relief, as is the coda solo). It sounds far more contemporary than the rest of EJ's generation were in '88, though agree it's sort of vanished in the past decade.

is this it for "rock" Elton? The rest of his big singles to come are all ballads, unless i'm forgetting something

col, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:45 (ten years ago) link

TS: "I Don't Wanna Go On..." vs "Roll With It"

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:47 (ten years ago) link

EJ in a walk. "Roll With It" has far too many "this is real soul music" signifiers, very Baby Boom Reconquista. Elton's single sounds like hip-hop by comparison

col, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:50 (ten years ago) link

I like this. A reasonable sequel to "I'm Still Standing", almost

"Roll With It" is unabashedly, Traffic-copping retro, "Go On With You" isn't

Lee626, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:52 (ten years ago) link

In honor of Frankie Knuckles, let me note that those high synth block chords floating over the piano line are gorgeous.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I guess I haven't heard it in a while on the radio, but there aren't too many songs from this latter-day period that I hear outside the house anymore. Pretty much just the Lion King songs, maybe "Sacrifice" once in a blue moon.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link

well, small mercies: Elton managed to avoid using any offensive musical cliches, like the "Oriental" guitar riff ("China Girl," "Turning Japanese" etc). But then he has to sing Taupin lines like "sitting cool behind your painted fan" and "beneath those oriental combs," so it's all for naught

col, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 14:26 (ten years ago) link

still singing about chicks too – that's most offensive

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link

also: are they like healing hands?

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link

like a massage therapist's, maybe

col, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link

apparently he performed this one a bit.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 April 2014 11:44 (ten years ago) link

a rocker! "say goodbye to GLASNOST!...goodbye to DY-UT SOODA!" it's the pissed, put-upon figure of "Don't Wanna Go On With You Like That," now flipping off the entire world. So the track's suitably cheap and ugly: that synth beat sounds like it was lifted off the back of a truck. Basically Elton's take on T. Petty's "Jammin' Me."

col, Thursday, 3 April 2014 13:32 (ten years ago) link

The first interesting discovery since the first side of TLFZ. The guitar is closer to hair metal and it suits him; for once the carnival barker tone suits him. His attempt to write "God"? He did sell his costumes at Sotheby's that year.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 April 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link

say goodbye to diet soda?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOkzRZWMLKA

piscesx, Friday, 4 April 2014 11:40 (ten years ago) link

what about the one with Paula Abdul?

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 April 2014 13:17 (ten years ago) link

80s-Elton-by-numbers, sung well & given a kick midway through w/ some fun piano runs, as if EJ had gotten bored while listening to a track playthrough

col, Friday, 4 April 2014 13:20 (ten years ago) link

"Heavy Traffic"

http://youtu.be/LnsqaNRTQTc

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UYViqG0MWng/0.jpg

col, Saturday, 5 April 2014 12:10 (ten years ago) link

We're back to the tone and approach of 'Religion" but not it smerits. Brisky strummed acoustic guitars and EJ's cocktail piano anchor a just-another-day-in-the-burbs scenario about a guy gettin' high on "apple juice and cocaine" while his mate makes PCP in the basement.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 April 2014 12:53 (ten years ago) link

points given: a fairly fresh sound, with the acoustic guitars and piano, and a mix so airy (at least in the verses) it sounds like Neu! by comparison to some of the gunked-up tracks on this album; one line sounds like EJ's muttering "Paul McCartney". points taken: Bernie Taupin using '80s TV movies as pointers as to what "kids these days" are up to; chorus singers wouldn't make the cut for a Lloyd Webber show

col, Saturday, 5 April 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link

it's a better "We Didn't Start the Fire."

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 April 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link

"Poor Cow"

http://youtu.be/14ageaewAMs

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/24/1366818866351/Terence-Stamp-in-Poor-Cow-008.jpg

(had to break the Elton-photo rule, given the title)

col, Sunday, 6 April 2014 13:19 (ten years ago) link

John Broadbent4 years ago

This song gives me a boner. ....Shaped it like an hourglass, and made the angels moan. Oh, here's a little heat boys, to straighten out them curls. Now there ain't been no angels 'round since God invented girls!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 April 2014 12:01 (ten years ago) link

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn

What the bloody hell is this garbage?

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 April 2014 12:02 (ten years ago) link

what a way to go out, Elton. Nicely encapsulates the worst of his '80s, though: desperate affirmations of heterosexuality, blustery singing, fretless bass, Taupin too bored to even be cryptic.

forget to say something on "Poor Cow": not bad, esp compared to today's turkey. sounds like EJ trying to be Squeeze in places

col, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:16 (ten years ago) link

Well, Babylon & On-era Squeeze.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:19 (ten years ago) link

more like Babylon & On-era outtakes, to be fair

one more song to go?

col, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:22 (ten years ago) link

Two, if you can find the live "Medley" that was on some editions of the 12" of A Word In Spanish. Includes Elton covering a bit of Leon Russell's A Song For You ("an American classic" per EJ). Then goes into a couple of classics we've already featured itt. Would be nice to finish on an upbeat note... if that's in the spirit of the thread?

Jeff W, Monday, 7 April 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link

I want to review the Aretha collab "Through The Storm."

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 April 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link

"Rope Around a Fool"

http://youtu.be/kzD6hHzKkBQ

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 13:10 (ten years ago) link

Elton listen to "Dixie Chicken" before cutting this one? Chorus is a bit ungainly but this is better than at least half of Reg

col, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 13:22 (ten years ago) link


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