this maybe. impressionistic minimalism
http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=ofTgTDeSbd4
― missingNO, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 05:13 (ten years ago) link
He could well be amongst "the mid twenty century piano repertoire" already found lacking BUT some of Federico Mompou's countless solo piano miniatures may be vaguely in the right ballpark, from memory. Not all of them though, by any means.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 15 April 2014 10:25 (ten years ago) link
the fifth of Bloch's Five Sketches in Sepia; starts at 5:55 in this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0tUHp6LXh0
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link
http://recordings.irritablehedgehog.com/album/dennis-johnson-november-2
seconding dennis johnson's november..
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
thanks for the recommendations which im going through rn
i collated the eight uncompressed versions of 'in a landscape' that i could find in a cursory search
in context, henck's tempi seem dilated beyond reason, more than 50% slower than de mare for example
drury's was the first i was aware of, and returning to it is almost like finding another piece altogether, though i like them all
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www45.zippyshare.com/v/63941623/file.html
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 22:49 (ten years ago) link
this is interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNGMt0frcA
― i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
You could almost just look at Henck's repertoire and come up with yr list of contenders for this category
Koechlin 'Les Heures Persanes'Mompou 'Musica Callada'
For sure. Also what about Feldman's solo piano stuff?
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 April 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
"for bunita marcus" would only be similar on account of it being "slow" & solo piano - i love it but it's not really similar at all being a wander between note-worrying listener-antagonism and beatific out of sync pendulum phrased in geological timescale tension release dialogues. reminds me of a keiji haino disc.there is, however, a jon gibson flute piece called "untitled" you can get on the "two solo pieces" cd, that reminds me of the cage piece, and is truly awesome in its own right. that cd is worth the spons - go get it.
― massaman gai, Thursday, 17 April 2014 19:21 (ten years ago) link
not that fond of for bunita marcus though i should probably return to itfrom memory he wrote some early serial or quasi serial piano music
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 April 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Wednesday, 16 April 2014 20:28 (2 days ago)
this is excellentalways get him mixed up with ernst bloch
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 03:01 (ten years ago) link
I'd never heard in a landscape, this is great
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 April 2014 03:31 (ten years ago) link
maybe something like Julius Eastman's slower pieces would fit w/ this
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 April 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link
My favorite Cage work has gone from In a Landscape to Dream to A Room to FourSix to The Unavailable Memory Of. FourSix, including the version by Sonic Youth, is in no way like any of the others.
― aworks, Friday, 18 April 2014 03:48 (ten years ago) link
also you mentioned Budd in the OP but if you haven't heard it yet, Perhaps sounds a lot like this
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 April 2014 04:00 (ten years ago) link
julius eastman is good, i was going to do a thread about him at some point
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 14:38 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VNJ5PHV52I
i love seeing lots of grand pianos together
(nb this piece does not sound anything like in a landscape)
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link
four walls!
― clouds, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
second the les heures persanes recommendation, incredible piece
― clouds, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
The third tellus tape (which is on ubuweb I think) is a minimalist piano thing for the most part and has some stuff like this (the Eastman things I'm thinking of are off this tape)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
yeah im going to try this now
A pupil of Massenet and Fauré, the prolific French composer and teacher Charles Koechlin expanded traditional harmonies and compositional techniques and was much admired by his contemporaries. Les heures persanes was inspired by Vers Ispahan, Pierre Loti’s diary of a journey through Persia. Oriental atmospheres are recreated through cycles of day and night, and in piano writing completely new for its time. This evocative piece salutes Koechlin’s musical forebears as well as foreshadowing Messiaen through the “passionate and skilled” (The Sunday Times on 8.572570) advocacy of Ralph van Raat.
i remember you recommending some koechlin before
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
debussy's khamma, orchestrated by koechlin is pretty great of course
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
Sorry, it's tellus 4
http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/tellus_4/Tellus-4_01_Julius_Eastman-Touch_Him_When.mp3
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
The Persian Hours is a terribly difficult work to record. It’s a very special, atmospheric work, mostly very slow and dreamy, and except for three or four movements (Travers les Rues; the mini-tone-poem Le Conteur; and the final Dervishes dans la nuit) is often extremely quiet. The orchestration is incredibly delicate and subtle, and it’s entirely typical of Koechlin that although the piece is harmonically extremely audacious for its time (1913–19), the music is so subdued that you might not be aware of its frequent polytonal or atonal basis. In short, this is a very remarkable piece, but not one for casual listening.[2]
lol
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Ravel's Le Gibet feels like In A Landscape to me, its a little more sinister, but similar slow, dreamlike pacing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhpX-CyTvfw
― kyenkyen, Friday, 18 April 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
In a Landscape is not actually that slow: it is notated at 80 bpm, mostly in eighth notes. The recording at the top is pretty atypical.
Thanks for the zip drive, nakh. Amy Shulman's recording on harp is nice too, if you haven't heard it.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link
how do you feel about this, is it ever acceptable to ignore the bpm notation? this is more of a 'thing' in late romantic music -- conductors playing the mahler symhony 5 adagietto at feldman-like tempi and so forth
with someone like cage it feels like the license is perhaps more tolerable? henck was personally acquainted with him too
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link
The solo and orchestral versions of Heures Persanes both urgent and key. I don't think Henck's disc of the piano version on wergo is obtainable anymore; the one on chandos (stott) got a bad review from Fanfare's koechlin maven Adrian Corleonis. Van Raat on Naxos maybe? Idk if Korstick has recorded it in his series of koechlin piano yet.
Since getting into this thing I have really wanted to read the namesake literary work in English but it does not seem to have been translated.
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
so i listened to the koechlin but i need to play that a couple more times
there is a tradition of french orientalism going through debussy's gamelan love, satie, messiaen's vedic fetishim, boulez etc and 90% of this stuff i love
re gaspard -- that is such a sinisterpiece of music that the less unhomely qualities of that movement are overlooked -- i don't share jon's extrensive knowledge of recordings but argerich's version of it is sublime
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:59 (ten years ago) link
D'oh, it's that Chandos disc of 'Les Heures Persanes' I happen to have making its way to my mailbox currently. :) Thanks Jon, and others, for past wordage on Koechlin by the way; has been impressive so far.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 18 April 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link
I haven't heard the chandos disc-- it's just one reviewers opinion and stott is a fine pianist.
Koechlin was a very very interesting dude who venn'd across several eras much like R Strauss did. There is a biography of him by robert orledge which seems to only exist in a few libraries and not at all on ebook. I would love to read it.
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:11 (ten years ago) link
Me too, I have such a weakness for that stuff. I know it's somewhat indefensible from a political standpoint. I swear I'm a good person in every other way.
See also szymanowski and a surprisingly large percentage of holsts oeuvre.
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 19 April 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link
how do you feel about this, is it ever acceptable to ignore the bpm notation? this is more of a 'thing' in late romantic music -- conductors playing the mahler symhony 5 adagietto at feldman-like tempi and so forthwith someone like cage it feels like the license is perhaps more tolerable? henck was personally acquainted with him too
I wasn't really saying that it's unacceptable (although I'm not sold on it in this case) as much as that its pacing is actually fairly different from the Ravel piece imo. On the whole, though, I personally tend not to favour these sorts of liberties outside of cases where it is part of an interpretive tradition or where the composer has actually endorsed it, although "acceptable" isn't the word I'd use.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 April 2014 02:10 (ten years ago) link
The ultra-slow Liszt trend that started afaict in emulation of Richter's glacial Schubert interpretations drives me crazy. I'm not even sure I liked it when Richter did it.
― hundreds-swarm-dinkytown (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 19 April 2014 02:46 (ten years ago) link
terry jennings
― missingNO, Sunday, 20 April 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link
john tilbury's take on terry jennings' pieces, on Lost Daylight, is sublime. def in this vein, some of the finest piano music out there.
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 20 April 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
thank you, they are wonderful
jennings' biographical information on the internet is fairly scant, apparently he played cage's sonata and interludes as a 13 yr old, studied at ucla and was an acolyte of lamonte young before seemingly falling on hard times and dying at 41 in 'altercation following a drug deal'
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Thursday, 24 April 2014 01:28 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS6TJuZxa3U
this is the most entrancing bit of pseudo eastern chicanery in les heures persanes
― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Saturday, 26 April 2014 00:05 (ten years ago) link
and i am still entranced, though the rest of it while fine is not quite the same
― Albanic Kanun Autark (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 April 2015 01:41 (nine years ago) link
the henck recording has gone but usefully someone has uploaded the raat version (the one i have been playing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1sRuRaLSHs
the last half of it
― Albanic Kanun Autark (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 April 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
koechlin's unique harmonic language is what sets his best music apart from mere fin du siecle fetishizing (unlike say ibert) but his work would maybe have benefited from more formal rigor/less peripateticism
― clouds, Thursday, 2 April 2015 02:07 (nine years ago) link
although tbh i find koechlin in orientalist mode much more compelling than debussy in similar moments
― clouds, Thursday, 2 April 2015 02:09 (nine years ago) link
this implausibly dinks its way into the same eternal field we find 'in a landscape' floating around in imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Ob7jTzzEI
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 7 April 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link
tick.jpg
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
looking forward to music for amplified toy pianos.flac now
am i right in recollecting that you have an academic interest in cage?
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
correct
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 7 April 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link
purely academic tho
― clouds, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 04:16 (nine years ago) link
Koechlin is a superb exoticist and did it more times, at greater length and to greater alien extent but cmon man, "et la lune descend...""la terrasse des audiences..." and "cloches a travers..." are all time pillars of the project!!!
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 19 April 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
those are certainly unfuckwithable
― truvada mangano (clouds), Monday, 20 April 2015 05:17 (nine years ago) link