what is the deepest black sabbath song?

I mean, I love "War Pigs" but "masses/masses" is admittedly a bit weak tbf.

Yea but LJ is like the 93,087,456th person to point it out. Tho perhaps the first to conjoin that statement w/ "and thus i turned it off"

oh come on now, the entirety of that lyric sequence makes any dig at "masses/masses" totally pointless and stupid

That too.

"masses" and "masses" is actually a good rhyme given that it's two different uses of the same word

talking shit about war pigs, man. about WAR fuckin PIGS.

what a world

Electric Wizard would bitchslap thee if they knew.

lol @ imago gettin tripped up at the 'black masses' line; you do realize that was the name of EW's last album, right?

"War Pigs" is mighty and undeserving of your condescension, but if I were recommending Sabbath albums to you, I would probably go with Vol. 4 instead of Paranoid because a) it's one of my favorite albums of all time, b) it's one of the great rock records of all time, a fact that ILM has repeatedly affirmed, and c) Supernaut -> Snowblind -> Cornucopia has to be one of the great sequences of classic rock, each song bringing the expansiveness that is their essence into a new context: Supernaut's space-rock bolero, Snowblind's cocaine-fed dysphoria, Cornucopia's enigmatic maze of riffs and almost hallucinatory imagery("too much inner truth they say...")

if only Ozzy could match the poetic skills of Justin 'Jus' Osborn.

I mean, I love "War Pigs" but "masses/masses" is admittedly a bit weak tbf.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is like dismissing Yeats for having a sloppy guitar solo on a live album.

listening to Celtic Frost's very peculiar To Mega Therion for the first time, I submit my fave Sab recording: "super-tzar."

easily the most eccentric thing they ever done, it's like my secret sabbath tune…probly only tony and bill are present,; he's accompanied by a bunch of men singing wordless chorales alongside a chamber ensemble of some shit…

at the sabbath shows I went to in the 90s early 00s, this tune would be the fanfare to them taking the stage…really quite magical…

Cornucopia > Megalomania

fwiw

i just listened to the album 'sabbath bloody sabbath' in its entirety and found it to be a rather lovely rock album in the main. standouts 'a national acrobat', 'killing yourself to live' and above all 'spiral architect' which is dare i say beautiful.

not really 'heavy' in the same way EW is but then it isn't trying to be

looool reading up on that album, of course it'd be the one I like

aero otm, the word being in two different senses saves it. this is actually one of my favorite opening lines ever tbh. the special kind of laughter that's both at and with.

i just sang it twice cuz i thought of it.

"Bad news on the doorstep. I couldn't take one more step." has bothered me for years so I get imago's grip

i really need SBS on vinyl, even the remastered CD in the black box sounds all digital harsh and brittle

yeah I'm listening to it all again and it's so much better, to me, than the first couple of albums. feels like they discovered prog rock or something

listening to Celtic Frost's very peculiar To Mega Therion for the first time, I submit my fave Sab recording: "super-tzar."

easily the most eccentric thing they ever done, it's like my secret sabbath tune…probly only tony and bill are present,; he's accompanied by a bunch of men singing wordless chorales alongside a chamber ensemble of some shit…

at the sabbath shows I went to in the 90s early 00s, this tune would be the fanfare to them taking the stage…really quite magical…

― veronica moser, Friday, April 18, 2014 2:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thanks for highlighting this! It's one of my favourite moments from my favourite Sabbath album.

imago I feel like your attitude towards Sabbath is not wholly dissimilar to any prog fan's in the 70s (w the backpedalling on SBS a concession to Eternity)

That being said, Supertzar might totally be Iin your wheel house

I remember playing the Supertzar riff for my guitar playing friend - he got so angry that he pulled the cord out of my amp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ska3C80ysk&feature=kp

^for easy reference

The laughs and anguish at the beginning of the Writ

i said this on the other thread but re: "thin 70s production" if you're trying to "get into" or "grapple with" black sabbath it's important to hear the records on vinyl, maybe cd, not earbuds on your spotify.

^^^i put this to my gf (a sabbath fan) and she wholeheartedly agreed and promised to give me the sabbath/doob/darkness/vinyl experience once she returned from the usa

she also chided me for being foolish

(and made me listen to SBS)

Your girlfriend to thread.

Supertzar ends at 3:40 but check the length of the YouTube

giant lol

i turned my friend liz from EW on to a lot of heavy stuff when we were kids. black sabbath included. the first time she heard slayer was at my house. she was really into glam metal before that. she loved cinderella.

i try to make the world a better place whenever i can.

New contender

"Children of the Sea" (can't believe nobody got to this obvious pun before me)

Dont know about deepest, but I stick by my plug for "Spiral Architect". Some of the coolest imagery ever in a Black Sabbath song.
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill)

First time encountering this thread... I thought of this immediately. But I'm not sure it actually makes sense. It could be their "Bewlay Brothers," AFAICT.
I'm also thinking National Acrobat is a strong contender. Maybe Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is their deepest album. Or possibly just the one with the most spaghetti lyrics.

Wizard is their funkiest, repetitive as it is

Oh shit
I just scrolled up and read the words "spiral architect"
Now I must go listen ;)

Children of the Sea" (can't believe nobody got to this obvious pun before me)

I just really like this song. The pun went over my head.

The opening of the writ gets closest to my state of mind these days

WAS IT ILLUSION?

THE ANSWER TO THIS THREAD IS INTO THE VOID
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 28 January 2007 13:39 (twelve years ago) bookmarkflaglink

thank u to chaki 12 years ago for posting correctly