NE-YO v THE DREAM

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lol are we talking about the same nine second throwaway intro here? what's the big deal?

moonship journey to 51 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 02:29 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah more posts about the nine second intro please

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 02:30 (fifteen years ago) link

i was just thinking about starting an album's poll for this but then i realized that no one would realize that it was a joke

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link

"put it down" is iiiiiiiiiiiit

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link

was he any good from the back?
you say he put it down he put it down he put it down

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Can't stop listening to Sweat It Out

Plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:02 (fifteen years ago) link

"call me ali the way i knocked your ass out" takes on a chilling context post-chris brown

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link

rap verse in "put it down" is pretty great

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I love "Put It Down" for those flanged LOS drums that I may never tire of, but I feel like he's getting a little too confident in his vocals there maybe, whereas the rest of the album his voice isn't bothering me as much

Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:48 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm glad "Booty" is demoted to bonus track (has any 'lead single' ever been dropped as quickly? shit was out 2 weeks before they switched to "Rockin'), starting to think i shouldn't have even put it on iTunes.

Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah i like it but they should've just left it off, it you have it on itunes and let the album play through it kind of ruins the flow as opposed to it ending w/ "kellys 12 play"

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link

and like anyone who likes that song already has it

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I dudes sound corny talking about it IMO

51 SBs on my dresser, yessir (deej), Saturday, 7 March 2009 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Surprised how much I like the beefed up version of "Right Side of my Brain" since I was such a big fan fan of the demo. It definitely works... those drums are just huge. Not sure I like it more than the orig (I really dig the sparse feel), but it's nice to have the two different versions.

This album is good on first listen, but I can tell it's gonna take a bit. Made me go back and listen to Love/Hate for comparison and DAMN, shit is so good. There's just no way this could top that.

Moreno, Saturday, 7 March 2009 06:42 (fifteen years ago) link

awesome

Plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 7 March 2009 08:07 (fifteen years ago) link

the melody right before Kanye's verse is so so great

Terius (The Reverend), Saturday, 7 March 2009 09:39 (fifteen years ago) link

A-T-L-A-N-T-A-G-A THAT WHERE I STAY
I GET MY MOTHERFUCKIN FREAK ON UH-LIKE EVERY DAY

Terius (The Reverend), Saturday, 7 March 2009 09:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think this record is mixed as well as LoveHate. A lot of the harmonic elements that were very clearly defined on the first album linger in the background here.

Terius (The Reverend), Saturday, 7 March 2009 09:50 (fifteen years ago) link

THANK U 4 THE BIRTHDAY CAKE
LOOK AT U LOOKIN LIKE A MILKSHAKE

Terius (The Reverend), Saturday, 7 March 2009 09:54 (fifteen years ago) link

ur next username should be The-Reverend

lex pretend, Saturday, 7 March 2009 09:54 (fifteen years ago) link

in case anyone was wondering

2. "Rockin' That Shit" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 3:42
3. "Walking on the Moon" (Featuring Kanye West, produced by LOS Da Mystro) 4:15
4. "My Love" (Featuring Mariah Carey, produced by LOS Da Mystro) 3:25
5. "Put It Down" (Produced by LOS Da Mystro) 5:02
6. "Sweat It Out" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 4:24
7. "Take U Home 2 My Mama" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 3:39
8. "Love vs. Money" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 4:12
9. "Love vs. Money Part 2" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 4:12
10. "Fancy" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 6:30
11. "Right Side of My Brain" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 4:26
12. "Mr. Yeah" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 4:53
13. "Kelly's 12 Play" (Produced by Christopher "Tricky" Stewart) 4:18
14. "Let Me See the Booty (Bonus Track)" (Featuring Lil Jon, produced by Lil Jon)

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link

my god today I think I pissed alot of friends IRL by not shutting up about this album

it doesn't help that I only discovered Love/Hate about a month ago and I still haven't really stopped listening to it...
with this my The-Dream obsession is really becoming unhealthy (BUT OMG THIS ALBUM!!!!)

putitdownputidownputitdownputidownputitdownputidown

all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Is this really true that this is not getting released in the UK? So hopeless it makes me want to cry :(

all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link

tpp ill send u a copy

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link

not really

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 7 March 2009 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link

fuck u you and your blatant copyright infringing JOrdan I ALREADY HAVE IT BTW

all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Sunday, 8 March 2009 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link

i meant a physical copy

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 00:09 (fifteen years ago) link

i would pay top dollah for a physical copy of this srsly, it's £17.09 on amazon.co.uk pre-order

clean the cd,
check for scratches,
get up on my mattress,
now we doing it,
to Kelly's 12 Play

all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Sunday, 8 March 2009 00:16 (fifteen years ago) link

her titties like woooooooOOOOOOOOOO

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 02:25 (fifteen years ago) link

"rockin that shit" was (and is) a great single, but it's crazy how much the song sounds like an album opener. the build up with the huge synths, basically the first 20 or so seconds seem like a big prelude to an epic album.

i've only listened to it once, wasn't sober so i just started it up again

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, 8 March 2009 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

this album makes me antisocial

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

i dont know if this is better than the first one

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link

don't think so

Terius (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:11 (fifteen years ago) link

The-Dream – Put It Down Yesterday 7:07pm
The-Dream – Sweat It Out Yesterday 7:02pm
The-Dream – Put It Down Yesterday 6:57pm
The-Dream – My Love (Ft. Mariah Carey) Yesterday 6:54pm
The-Dream – Walking on the Moon (ft. Kanye West) Yesterday 6:47pm
The-Dream – Rockin' That Shit Yesterday 6:31pm
The-Dream – Let Me See The Booty (ft. Lil Jon) Yesterday 3:10pm
The-Dream – Kelly's 12 Play Yesterday 3:06pm
The-Dream – Mr. Yeah Yesterday 3:01pm
The-Dream – Right Side Of My Brain Yesterday 2:56pm
The-Dream – Fancy Yesterday 2:50pm
The-Dream – Love Vs Money Part 2 Yesterday 2:45pm
The-Dream – Love Vs Money Yesterday 2:41pm
The-Dream – Take You Home 2 My Mama Yesterday 2:37pm
The-Dream – Sweat It Out Yesterday 2:33pm
The-Dream – Put It Down Yesterday 2:21pm
The-Dream – My Love (Ft. Mariah Carey) Yesterday 2:17pm
The-Dream – Walking on the Moon (ft. Kanye West) Yesterday 2:12pm
The-Dream – Rockin' That Shit Yesterday 2:09pm
The-Dream – Luv Songs Yesterday 1:44pm
The-Dream – Let Me See The Booty (ft. Lil Jon) 5 Mar 10:16pm
The-Dream – Kellys 12 Play 5 Mar 10:12pm
The-Dream – Mr. Yeah 5 Mar 10:07pm
The-Dream – Right Side Of My Brain 5 Mar 10:03pm
The-Dream – Fancy 5 Mar 9:56pm
The-Dream – Love Vs Money Part 2 5 Mar 9:52pm
The-Dream – Love Vs Money 5 Mar 9:18pm
The-Dream – Take You Home 2 My Mama 5 Mar 9:14pm
The-Dream – Sweat It Out 5 Mar 9:10pm
The-Dream – Put It Down 5 Mar 9:05pm
The-Dream – My Love (Ft. Mariah Carey) 5 Mar 9:01pm
The-Dream – Walking on the Moon (ft. Kanye West) 5 Mar 8:57pm
The-Dream – Rockin' That Shit 5 Mar 8:54pm
The-Dream – My Love (feat. Mariah Carey) 5 Mar 6:14pm
The-Dream – Walkin' On The Moon (feat. Kanye West) 5 Mar 6:10pm
The-Dream – Rockin' That Shit 5 Mar 6:06pm
The-Dream – Love vs. Money: Part 2 5 Mar 4:09pm
The-Dream – Love vs. Money 5 Mar 4:05pm
The-Dream – Take U Home 2 My Mama 5 Mar 2:12pm
The-Dream – Sweat It Out 5 Mar 2:07pm
The-Dream – Put It Down 5 Mar 2:02pm

jordan ain't fuckin around

Terius (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:15 (fifteen years ago) link

srsly tho

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 05:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Wau!

ilxor, Sunday, 8 March 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link

i can't tell if it's afterglow or not but i think this might be better than love/hate

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

"love vs money" -> "love vs money 2" -> "fancy" -> "right side of my brain" = cinema

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

^^^^^^^^THIS

Someone Still Loves You Evan and Jaron (Tape Store), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link

After several listens, I'm disappointed. A few songs have weak melodies affixed to dull lyrics. And these guys are repeating production tricks something awful. The last one didn't sound like a winner either on first listen, so I'm still optimistic.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/arts/music/08maer.html?ref=music

Not Content Just to Write the Hits

By MELISSA MAERZ
Published: March 4, 2009
THE songwriter and R&B singer Terius Nash has worn $2,000 worth of rolled-up bills on a chain around his neck, but he would like to cultivate a much more expensive habit.

“Mariah Carey took me up in her private jet last week,” said Mr. Nash, who records under the name The-Dream. “It was like: Ooooooh! I’ve got to get me one of these. Because now that I’ve got a taste, I’m never going back. I’m going to fly this thing everywhere — to L.A., to Atlanta, to New York. I’m going to fly this thing down the street and park it outside your apartment.”

Mr. Nash, 30, was sprawled on a couch at Power 105.1, a radio station in New York, dressed in limited-edition neon sneakers and a new black Armani jacket so crisp that it would probably crunch if you touched it. But “Love vs. Money,” his second album as The-Dream, which is out on Tuesday on Island Def Jam, explores the ways luxury living can destroy a man’s relationships, like his marriage to the R&B singer Nivea.

“Money affects everything, from who I’m with to what label I’m on, so everything I do now is about protecting it,” he said. “But I didn’t understand how powerfully that would affect my home life.”

He and his songwriting partner, Christopher Stewart, known as Tricky, are one of pop’s most inventive and in-demand hit-making teams. (Mr. Stewart writes the music, Mr. Nash the lyrics.) After scoring their first major break in 2003 with Britney Spears’s “Me Against the Music,” Billboard’s best-selling dance single that year, the duo churned out a string of No. 1 smashes, including Beyoncé’s “Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It),” Mariah Carey’s “Touch My Body,” J. Holiday’s “Bed” and, most famously, Rihanna’s “Umbrella,” which earned a Grammy nomination for record of the year in 2008. Mr. Nash has often said that they wrote the song in 15 minutes.

Over the past year they have composed more than 200 songs, working with artists as diverse as Usher, Jesse McCartney, Sting and Celine Dion, at a rate of $110,000 to $165,000 per track, Mr. Stewart said.

But while Mr. Nash is one of pop’s most reliable hit makers, he’s not yet a pop star. As The-Dream he had hit singles with “Falsetto” and “Shawty Is a Ten,” and his acclaimed, Prince-inspired 2007 debut album, “Love/Hate,” sold 537,000 copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan. He has been criticized for an uncharismatic stage presence, however, and when he opened for Mary J. Blige and Jay-Z on their blockbuster “Heart of the City” tour, his set was largely ignored by critics. When the Grammy nominations for 2009 were announced, he was upset that his solo work was overlooked.

“Even though in my mind I know I should have beat everyone, I also know that some people missed the first album,” he said. “So now it’s about marketing. Now I’ve got the Mariahs and the Kanyes and the Jamie Foxxes of the world saying, ‘I’ve seen The-Dream write four hit songs in 40 minutes.’ Soon the pop world will be like, ‘O.K., we see you now.’ ”

With “Love vs. Money” he’s ready to do whatever it takes to make himself a boldface name. He has been showing up at parties with the R&B singer Christina Milian, sparking rumors that they are dating — gossip conveniently timed to mesh with the release of “Us Against the World,” the new single he wrote for her. He also upped the star power on the new album with cameos by Kanye West, Lil Jon and Ms. Carey, who also appears in the video for “My Love.”

Antonio Reid, known as L.A., chairman of Island Def Jam Music Group, said he believed that “Love vs. Money” would be a bigger hit than its predecessor because it showcases Mr. Nash’s crossover appeal. “He’s that rare combination of high art like Kanye West, but also ghetto-friendly like R. Kelly,” he said. “That’s part of what makes him one of the great undiscovered talents of our time.”

Written during Mr. Nash’s divorce from Nivea in 2008, “Love vs. Money” offers an emotional, confessional take on the ways wealth can make personal relationships feel empty. The interlocked, three-song mini-epic that anchors the album — “Love vs. Money,” “Love vs. Money Part 2” and “Fancy” — finds Mr. Nash admitting that all the Bentleys and trips to Paris he bought to show his affection ended up just making him feel used.

He sings sadly on “Fancy”:

They say you can’t buy love

Man, they lyin’

If Christian LaCroix brings a smile

I’ll buy it

as if he’s having trouble convincing himself it’s all true. With music written by Mr. Stewart, Mr. Nash has made a lush headphones album, pulsing with new wave and funk melodies, synth-fueled ballads, thundering 808 drum machine beats and little electronic details that occasionally sound like R&B’s answer to Radiohead.

“ ‘Love vs. Money’ is music as theater, and no one does that better than The-Dream,” said Stephen Hill, president for music programming and specials for BET. “But he also knows how to give a young, black audience what they want.” Mr. Hill pointed to “Sweat It Out,” a song about a woman who has just perfected a slick hairstyle, only to see it frizz up when things get steamy.

The songwriting duo caters to that audience, said Mr. Stewart, because urban music fans are more loyal than pop fans. “The urban audience follows us from pop to R&B because we always keep the hood in our work,” he said. “Even when we’re writing about what it’s like to be in Paris, we’re doing it from the perspective of someone who flew there from a strip club in Atlanta.”

Mr. Nash grew up in Atlanta while the city was becoming a bastion of hip-hop and R&B. He attended Grove Park Elementary, where he remembers seeing the rapper T. I. roaming the halls. In high school he took night classes with André 3000 of OutKast, which had just released its debut album. Mr. Nash played in a band during middle school, but decided to go solo around the time Mr. Reid started LaFace Records and got local R&B acts like TLC on the pop charts.

Around the same time Atlanta’s annual Freaknik gathering was building momentum as a street party. “Every time you hear an 808 drum machine beat on one of my songs, it comes from Freaknik,” Mr. Nash said. “I remember it was 1993, and I was riding around in my car — I didn’t even have a license yet — listening to bass music. We’d play it so loud you could drive down the block and make somebody’s pictures fall off their wall.”

His mother died of ovarian cancer when he was in eighth grade, and he credits the experience with enhancing his ability to write for female artists. “Watching her as the months went by, knowing that she was going to pass, that dialed my emotions right up,” he said. “The corniest things in pop songs about life and love and loss, I was thinking about them on a very real level, from my mom’s perspective.”

Mr. Nash said he first imagined “Umbrella” from a mother’s point of view. Back when rumors started circulating that Ms. Spears was headed for a rehabilitation center, Mr. Nash wrote the song for her to sing to her two sons. “Everyone was beating her up real good, so I was thinking how, if anything really bad was to happen to her, her kids would always have this song to tell them she’s still with them: ‘When the sun shines, we shine together/Told you I’ll be here forever.’” (The song went to Rihanna when Ms. Spears passed on it.)

If for some reason the new album isn’t a hit, his day job isn’t too shabby. He’s currently working with Ms. Carey on her next album, and he has just finished an album for the new R&B girl group Electrik Red, which will be released on his Radio Killa imprint this month. And Mr. Nash said he and Mr. West have talked about doing a collaborative album in the spirit of R. Kelly and Jay-Z’s “Best of Both Worlds.”

Essentially Mr. Nash is always working. “I call my attorney three times a day,” he said. “The other day I came up with this phrase, ‘That’s Jesus!’ That’s a combination of saying something’s hot and it’s also a blessing. So I called my attorney and asked him, ‘Can we get “That’s Jesus!” copyrighted just in case it shows up on a T-shirt?’ ”

He credits his grandfather, who was a concrete mason, with his work ethic. “He basically built the city I grew up in,” he said. “He came out of a bad time for blacks in the South, but even though we lived in the hood, we had a boat, some cars and a house that was paid for. So I’ve always had a different outlook on life. There’s nothing I can’t do. My uncle used to say, ‘You’ll go on and become the dream of the family.’ That’s how I got my name.”

Mr. Nash shook his head, smiling. “He was probably thinking that I’d become a doctor or something. But if he was here right now, I think he’d say I’ve done all right.”

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link

a rate of $110,000 to $165,000 per track, Mr. Stewart said.

yes

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

high praise: rolling stone says equal parts timbaland and trent reznor, nyt says r&b's answer to radiohead

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

that's jesus

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

am i the only one getting killed by "my love"? the first four or five tracks are fantastic, but i havent really been able to fall for that sequence you guys specify up there, though i realize there is a lot going on so im hoping it'\'s a slow burner

moonship journey to 51 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link

NB ive listened to the first half of the record like ten times and the back just two or three. so i'll come around to it i'm sure

moonship journey to 51 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

the Lil Jon collab SUCKS.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

OUT: Album full of confessional jamz.
IN: Half-album confessional jamz song-cycles surrounded by sex jamz. (I like that in the end he's more concerned with his CDs not having scratches on them than actually having sex.)

xpost, that Lil Jon thing is just a bonus track, fwiw

dabug, Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link

weird that the lil jon song turned out to be so love/hate (heeyyy there)

i pretty much love it fwiw, i like that it's a strip club song that would be impossible to dance to - that's good weirdness imo

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link


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