~~someone~~ is gunning for a job w/ the salinger estate
― j., Wednesday, 30 April 2014 09:26 (ten years ago) link
This part is kinda unsettling:
Mr. Sullivan, for his part, defended his actions to the Observer in a telephone conversation shortly after the article was published.
“I won’t try to make it sound like I didn’t struggle with it,” he said of the ethical blurriness of the situation. “It’s not the kind of thing you want to do with every story.”
He added, however, that he was legally in the clear, as one cannot own somebody else’s speech, and Mr. McCormick’s transcript features the words of Elvie Thomas. (“You’re not allowed to sit on these things for half a century, not when the culture has decided they matter,” Mr. Sullivan writes in the article, referring to the transcript.)
Ms. McCormick called Mr. Sullivan’s comments “glib.”
“There is reason to believe this theft of my father’s research was their intention all along,” she said, “and that they have stolen far more from him than just the items Sullivan has publicly admitted.”
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 12:02 (ten years ago) link
i feel like nobody comes out of this well, which might be a cop-out but hey
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 12:09 (ten years ago) link
i guess it's hard for me to feel too much for either party, it's just two people from the same culture of eggheads that have made a cottage industry of fetishizing and collecting and hoarding precious facts and recordings about old blues singers. i guess if geechie or elvie were alive or if their families were complaining about how they never wanted to be found out or revealed i would have a problem, but honestly i feel for mccormick who seems like a real character and obviously is going through a lot of stuff, and who knows? maybe the sullivan is shady, but i kind of feel like none of this stuff really BELONGS to either of them
it was a hell of an article i will say that
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 13:37 (ten years ago) link
He added, however, that he was legally in the clear, as one cannot own somebody else’s speech
But Sullivan published someone else's research without consent or (presumably) compensation. As a journalist, he should fucking understand that.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link
i think the phrase "legally in the clear" draws an obvious distinction from "behaved ethically"
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
Yeah seems like a dick move
― idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
i'm glad he did it. who knows, that old coot could burn his house down in the middle of the night. i support this theft. it was iphone pictures of documentation, right? i don't know the rules of consent when someone invites you into their home. can you get sued if you take a picture of someone's cat without their knowledge and post it on the internet?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link
i am also in favor of frivolous lawsuits against the new york times for reasons of mental anguish though. i've wanted to sue them for this many times over the years.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
i mean i definitely did think about what that old coot was gonna think when he read the thing or if he was gonna have a heart attack or possibly burn his collection out of anger. but i think overall the thing was worth it. it's love and theft. that's the blues, baby. truman capote isn't really your friend. and neither are the hell's angels.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
'every journalist who is not too stupid or full of himself to notice what is going on knows that what he does is morally indefensible. he is a kind of confidence man, preying on people's vanity, ignorance, or loneliness, gaining their trust and betraying them without remorse.' - janet malcolm
― balls, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
fair points
― idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
i don't think that family is comparable to a biker gang or a convicted murderer?
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
truman capote didn't just write about murderers. mentioned the hell's angels merely to point out that if you write stuff like the NYT piece you are gonna get heat. not beat up, probably, but heat nonetheless.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
A guy told me one time, "Don't let yourself get attached to any blues memorabilia you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/10744192/10-ways-Britpop-changed-modern-manhood.html
― ۩, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
scott, it felt like a fair assumption you were doing an in cold blood / hst comparison there
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
answered prayers is where capote drew the charges of betrayal and was ostracized by his friends
― balls, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link
Not terrible but sexist:
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/2014/04/haim_review_photos_miami_2014.php
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
Throughout their hour-plus set, the three sisters shook their luxurious manes and showed emotion by running fingers through their perfectly conditioned hair. If the music thing does not work out, they can count on a lucrative contract endorsing Neutrogena or Herbal Essences.
Remember when they said this about the Screaming Trees?
― how's life, Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:36 (ten years ago) link
and they can play!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
what a fucking douche. Just when I start to think rockism is an irrelevant concept now.
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
look at those bitches with their hair
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/t1.0-1/c40.0.160.160/p160x160/1969162_10203528575675858_44142269950046880_n.jpgChristopher Lopez from Facebook1 day ago
My thoughts in print lol
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
Because, at the moment, not only do their lyrics and stage presence not only lack sophistication, but none of their songs contain the timeless stupidity of a catchy hook like "MMMbop" had, though their "Wire" comes the closest.
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
lol at hurting going HAIM in the comments
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
yeah didn't mean to triple post that, hope that's fixed now
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link
girls aren't sophisticated see
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
If you scroll back far enough in his reviews you find out he like Cat Power though so
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 May 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
fortunately every Bryan Ferry review I've ever written mentions his hair
A poll on that telegraph article up threadWorst Thing In This Daily Telegraph "10 ways Britpop changed modern manhood" Article
― ۩, Thursday, 1 May 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
Possibly the most notes I ever got on a Tumblr post was that time I went to an Interpol gig and reviewed their haircuts!
(granted, it may have been semi-parodic)
― Bramble Bluebell (Branwell Bell), Thursday, 1 May 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link
Pretty sure most reviews of Hanson mentioned their hair too.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 1 May 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link
and Nelson, remember them? "The Timotei Twins"
― ۩, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link
And the Beatles.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link
Yeah but that was because they looked like girls with girl hair and as such were unworthy of anything more complex in terms of criticism than "lol ur hair"
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link
to be fair who didn't lol at Nelson's hair?
― ۩, Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link
not damaged/depressed = "not sophisticated" is an annoying trope in its own right, and one that probably overlaps with the gender stuff at issue here but is not exclusive to it
― Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Thursday, 1 May 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
vmg's overall music-bloggage quality was pretty awful with a few exceptions (hi reed, thanks for being awesome) but miami's was always the most consistently embarrassing. good to see they're keeping it up
― maura, Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
I've thought about pitching stories but
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 May 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
holy shit that quietus britpop article upthread
britpop's idea of a controversial loudmouth was louise wener? DO YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE FORGETTING SOME PEOPLE
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 1 May 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
every member of HAIM has incredible hair. but i can't agree with that writer's assertion that their songs are unsophisticated.
― ginuwine's cousin (monotony), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that's some lousy writing. They have hair, their songs are dumb like Hanson, and they have long hair like Hanson. That's pretty much all of the review, and yet it takes 2 pages to read.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 1 May 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ0v6pBkmdc
― katherine, Friday, 2 May 2014 04:49 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that's some lousy writing. They have hair, their songs are dumb like Hanson, and they have long hair like Hanson. That's pretty much all of the review, and yet it takes 2 pages to read.― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, May 2, 2014 12:39 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, May 2, 2014 12:39 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Don't forget the bit where everyone liked the songs (except for him) and how Haim should just shut up and not talk and just play with their hair instead.
― 1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Friday, 2 May 2014 09:57 (ten years ago) link
One of the band's biggest strategic mistakes was that while Danielle Haim does most of the vocals, her older sister Este was charged with the onstage patter, which seemed to be influenced by the Shoshanna character from the HBO series Girls.
A strategic mistake? Were they overrun by an army of Cimbri half-way through the set?
(also, I doubt a 27 year old based her personality on a character from a show that premiered 2 years ago.)
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
yeah but Haim are girls and the show is named GIRLS so you know i mean there's a pretty good link there
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link
I hear they mapped out their strategy in kindergarten: Este would grow up to be more talkative and Danielle more reserved.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
Excited to see some genuinely execrable writing again itt. Now with added life coaching.
With the sisters ranging from being young to being kind of young (Este's the oldest at 27 and Alana's the youngest at 22), there is time for them to fall in and out of love, hitchhike around the Southwest, or have other meaningful and meaningless experiences that might help their lyrics and personas catch up to their musical skills.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:36 (ten years ago) link
hitchhike around the Southwest,
is he basically telling them to go get murdered?
― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Friday, 2 May 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link