NE-YO v THE DREAM

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"rockin that shit" was (and is) a great single, but it's crazy how much the song sounds like an album opener. the build up with the huge synths, basically the first 20 or so seconds seem like a big prelude to an epic album.

i've only listened to it once, wasn't sober so i just started it up again

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, 8 March 2009 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

this album makes me antisocial

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

i dont know if this is better than the first one

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link

don't think so

Terius (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:11 (fifteen years ago) link

The-Dream – Put It Down Yesterday 7:07pm
The-Dream – Sweat It Out Yesterday 7:02pm
The-Dream – Put It Down Yesterday 6:57pm
The-Dream – My Love (Ft. Mariah Carey) Yesterday 6:54pm
The-Dream – Walking on the Moon (ft. Kanye West) Yesterday 6:47pm
The-Dream – Rockin' That Shit Yesterday 6:31pm
The-Dream – Let Me See The Booty (ft. Lil Jon) Yesterday 3:10pm
The-Dream – Kelly's 12 Play Yesterday 3:06pm
The-Dream – Mr. Yeah Yesterday 3:01pm
The-Dream – Right Side Of My Brain Yesterday 2:56pm
The-Dream – Fancy Yesterday 2:50pm
The-Dream – Love Vs Money Part 2 Yesterday 2:45pm
The-Dream – Love Vs Money Yesterday 2:41pm
The-Dream – Take You Home 2 My Mama Yesterday 2:37pm
The-Dream – Sweat It Out Yesterday 2:33pm
The-Dream – Put It Down Yesterday 2:21pm
The-Dream – My Love (Ft. Mariah Carey) Yesterday 2:17pm
The-Dream – Walking on the Moon (ft. Kanye West) Yesterday 2:12pm
The-Dream – Rockin' That Shit Yesterday 2:09pm
The-Dream – Luv Songs Yesterday 1:44pm
The-Dream – Let Me See The Booty (ft. Lil Jon) 5 Mar 10:16pm
The-Dream – Kellys 12 Play 5 Mar 10:12pm
The-Dream – Mr. Yeah 5 Mar 10:07pm
The-Dream – Right Side Of My Brain 5 Mar 10:03pm
The-Dream – Fancy 5 Mar 9:56pm
The-Dream – Love Vs Money Part 2 5 Mar 9:52pm
The-Dream – Love Vs Money 5 Mar 9:18pm
The-Dream – Take You Home 2 My Mama 5 Mar 9:14pm
The-Dream – Sweat It Out 5 Mar 9:10pm
The-Dream – Put It Down 5 Mar 9:05pm
The-Dream – My Love (Ft. Mariah Carey) 5 Mar 9:01pm
The-Dream – Walking on the Moon (ft. Kanye West) 5 Mar 8:57pm
The-Dream – Rockin' That Shit 5 Mar 8:54pm
The-Dream – My Love (feat. Mariah Carey) 5 Mar 6:14pm
The-Dream – Walkin' On The Moon (feat. Kanye West) 5 Mar 6:10pm
The-Dream – Rockin' That Shit 5 Mar 6:06pm
The-Dream – Love vs. Money: Part 2 5 Mar 4:09pm
The-Dream – Love vs. Money 5 Mar 4:05pm
The-Dream – Take U Home 2 My Mama 5 Mar 2:12pm
The-Dream – Sweat It Out 5 Mar 2:07pm
The-Dream – Put It Down 5 Mar 2:02pm

jordan ain't fuckin around

Terius (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:15 (fifteen years ago) link

srsly tho

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 05:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Wau!

ilxor, Sunday, 8 March 2009 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link

i can't tell if it's afterglow or not but i think this might be better than love/hate

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

"love vs money" -> "love vs money 2" -> "fancy" -> "right side of my brain" = cinema

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

^^^^^^^^THIS

Someone Still Loves You Evan and Jaron (Tape Store), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link

After several listens, I'm disappointed. A few songs have weak melodies affixed to dull lyrics. And these guys are repeating production tricks something awful. The last one didn't sound like a winner either on first listen, so I'm still optimistic.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/arts/music/08maer.html?ref=music

Not Content Just to Write the Hits

By MELISSA MAERZ
Published: March 4, 2009
THE songwriter and R&B singer Terius Nash has worn $2,000 worth of rolled-up bills on a chain around his neck, but he would like to cultivate a much more expensive habit.

“Mariah Carey took me up in her private jet last week,” said Mr. Nash, who records under the name The-Dream. “It was like: Ooooooh! I’ve got to get me one of these. Because now that I’ve got a taste, I’m never going back. I’m going to fly this thing everywhere — to L.A., to Atlanta, to New York. I’m going to fly this thing down the street and park it outside your apartment.”

Mr. Nash, 30, was sprawled on a couch at Power 105.1, a radio station in New York, dressed in limited-edition neon sneakers and a new black Armani jacket so crisp that it would probably crunch if you touched it. But “Love vs. Money,” his second album as The-Dream, which is out on Tuesday on Island Def Jam, explores the ways luxury living can destroy a man’s relationships, like his marriage to the R&B singer Nivea.

“Money affects everything, from who I’m with to what label I’m on, so everything I do now is about protecting it,” he said. “But I didn’t understand how powerfully that would affect my home life.”

He and his songwriting partner, Christopher Stewart, known as Tricky, are one of pop’s most inventive and in-demand hit-making teams. (Mr. Stewart writes the music, Mr. Nash the lyrics.) After scoring their first major break in 2003 with Britney Spears’s “Me Against the Music,” Billboard’s best-selling dance single that year, the duo churned out a string of No. 1 smashes, including Beyoncé’s “Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It),” Mariah Carey’s “Touch My Body,” J. Holiday’s “Bed” and, most famously, Rihanna’s “Umbrella,” which earned a Grammy nomination for record of the year in 2008. Mr. Nash has often said that they wrote the song in 15 minutes.

Over the past year they have composed more than 200 songs, working with artists as diverse as Usher, Jesse McCartney, Sting and Celine Dion, at a rate of $110,000 to $165,000 per track, Mr. Stewart said.

But while Mr. Nash is one of pop’s most reliable hit makers, he’s not yet a pop star. As The-Dream he had hit singles with “Falsetto” and “Shawty Is a Ten,” and his acclaimed, Prince-inspired 2007 debut album, “Love/Hate,” sold 537,000 copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan. He has been criticized for an uncharismatic stage presence, however, and when he opened for Mary J. Blige and Jay-Z on their blockbuster “Heart of the City” tour, his set was largely ignored by critics. When the Grammy nominations for 2009 were announced, he was upset that his solo work was overlooked.

“Even though in my mind I know I should have beat everyone, I also know that some people missed the first album,” he said. “So now it’s about marketing. Now I’ve got the Mariahs and the Kanyes and the Jamie Foxxes of the world saying, ‘I’ve seen The-Dream write four hit songs in 40 minutes.’ Soon the pop world will be like, ‘O.K., we see you now.’ ”

With “Love vs. Money” he’s ready to do whatever it takes to make himself a boldface name. He has been showing up at parties with the R&B singer Christina Milian, sparking rumors that they are dating — gossip conveniently timed to mesh with the release of “Us Against the World,” the new single he wrote for her. He also upped the star power on the new album with cameos by Kanye West, Lil Jon and Ms. Carey, who also appears in the video for “My Love.”

Antonio Reid, known as L.A., chairman of Island Def Jam Music Group, said he believed that “Love vs. Money” would be a bigger hit than its predecessor because it showcases Mr. Nash’s crossover appeal. “He’s that rare combination of high art like Kanye West, but also ghetto-friendly like R. Kelly,” he said. “That’s part of what makes him one of the great undiscovered talents of our time.”

Written during Mr. Nash’s divorce from Nivea in 2008, “Love vs. Money” offers an emotional, confessional take on the ways wealth can make personal relationships feel empty. The interlocked, three-song mini-epic that anchors the album — “Love vs. Money,” “Love vs. Money Part 2” and “Fancy” — finds Mr. Nash admitting that all the Bentleys and trips to Paris he bought to show his affection ended up just making him feel used.

He sings sadly on “Fancy”:

They say you can’t buy love

Man, they lyin’

If Christian LaCroix brings a smile

I’ll buy it

as if he’s having trouble convincing himself it’s all true. With music written by Mr. Stewart, Mr. Nash has made a lush headphones album, pulsing with new wave and funk melodies, synth-fueled ballads, thundering 808 drum machine beats and little electronic details that occasionally sound like R&B’s answer to Radiohead.

“ ‘Love vs. Money’ is music as theater, and no one does that better than The-Dream,” said Stephen Hill, president for music programming and specials for BET. “But he also knows how to give a young, black audience what they want.” Mr. Hill pointed to “Sweat It Out,” a song about a woman who has just perfected a slick hairstyle, only to see it frizz up when things get steamy.

The songwriting duo caters to that audience, said Mr. Stewart, because urban music fans are more loyal than pop fans. “The urban audience follows us from pop to R&B because we always keep the hood in our work,” he said. “Even when we’re writing about what it’s like to be in Paris, we’re doing it from the perspective of someone who flew there from a strip club in Atlanta.”

Mr. Nash grew up in Atlanta while the city was becoming a bastion of hip-hop and R&B. He attended Grove Park Elementary, where he remembers seeing the rapper T. I. roaming the halls. In high school he took night classes with André 3000 of OutKast, which had just released its debut album. Mr. Nash played in a band during middle school, but decided to go solo around the time Mr. Reid started LaFace Records and got local R&B acts like TLC on the pop charts.

Around the same time Atlanta’s annual Freaknik gathering was building momentum as a street party. “Every time you hear an 808 drum machine beat on one of my songs, it comes from Freaknik,” Mr. Nash said. “I remember it was 1993, and I was riding around in my car — I didn’t even have a license yet — listening to bass music. We’d play it so loud you could drive down the block and make somebody’s pictures fall off their wall.”

His mother died of ovarian cancer when he was in eighth grade, and he credits the experience with enhancing his ability to write for female artists. “Watching her as the months went by, knowing that she was going to pass, that dialed my emotions right up,” he said. “The corniest things in pop songs about life and love and loss, I was thinking about them on a very real level, from my mom’s perspective.”

Mr. Nash said he first imagined “Umbrella” from a mother’s point of view. Back when rumors started circulating that Ms. Spears was headed for a rehabilitation center, Mr. Nash wrote the song for her to sing to her two sons. “Everyone was beating her up real good, so I was thinking how, if anything really bad was to happen to her, her kids would always have this song to tell them she’s still with them: ‘When the sun shines, we shine together/Told you I’ll be here forever.’” (The song went to Rihanna when Ms. Spears passed on it.)

If for some reason the new album isn’t a hit, his day job isn’t too shabby. He’s currently working with Ms. Carey on her next album, and he has just finished an album for the new R&B girl group Electrik Red, which will be released on his Radio Killa imprint this month. And Mr. Nash said he and Mr. West have talked about doing a collaborative album in the spirit of R. Kelly and Jay-Z’s “Best of Both Worlds.”

Essentially Mr. Nash is always working. “I call my attorney three times a day,” he said. “The other day I came up with this phrase, ‘That’s Jesus!’ That’s a combination of saying something’s hot and it’s also a blessing. So I called my attorney and asked him, ‘Can we get “That’s Jesus!” copyrighted just in case it shows up on a T-shirt?’ ”

He credits his grandfather, who was a concrete mason, with his work ethic. “He basically built the city I grew up in,” he said. “He came out of a bad time for blacks in the South, but even though we lived in the hood, we had a boat, some cars and a house that was paid for. So I’ve always had a different outlook on life. There’s nothing I can’t do. My uncle used to say, ‘You’ll go on and become the dream of the family.’ That’s how I got my name.”

Mr. Nash shook his head, smiling. “He was probably thinking that I’d become a doctor or something. But if he was here right now, I think he’d say I’ve done all right.”

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link

a rate of $110,000 to $165,000 per track, Mr. Stewart said.

yes

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

high praise: rolling stone says equal parts timbaland and trent reznor, nyt says r&b's answer to radiohead

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

that's jesus

autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Sunday, 8 March 2009 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

am i the only one getting killed by "my love"? the first four or five tracks are fantastic, but i havent really been able to fall for that sequence you guys specify up there, though i realize there is a lot going on so im hoping it'\'s a slow burner

moonship journey to 51 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link

NB ive listened to the first half of the record like ten times and the back just two or three. so i'll come around to it i'm sure

moonship journey to 51 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

the Lil Jon collab SUCKS.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

OUT: Album full of confessional jamz.
IN: Half-album confessional jamz song-cycles surrounded by sex jamz. (I like that in the end he's more concerned with his CDs not having scratches on them than actually having sex.)

xpost, that Lil Jon thing is just a bonus track, fwiw

dabug, Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link

weird that the lil jon song turned out to be so love/hate (heeyyy there)

i pretty much love it fwiw, i like that it's a strip club song that would be impossible to dance to - that's good weirdness imo

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link

You've danced in a strip club?

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link

ha i didn't feel like rewording the sentence but yall know what i mean

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link

to answer the question: no

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link

i dont hate it i just think it's pointless and ill probably delete it

moonship journey to 51 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

the first four or five tracks are fantastic, but i havent really been able to fall for that sequence you guys specify up there, though i realize there is a lot going on so im hoping it'\'s a slow burner

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yeah, I'm with you on this one

Terius (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I already did delete the Lil Jon track. Total ass, that one.

Terius (The Reverend), Sunday, 8 March 2009 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

the slow jamz on this one - "put it down", "sweat it out" and "kelly's 12 play" - are unfuckwithable imo

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 05:41 (fifteen years ago) link

^seconded...and that leaves three singles (the first three songs, though "Put It Down" should totally be a single) and the song cycle thing, which is probably the only real hurdle to kind of wrap your brain around on on the album. But it's also the part I like best, a fairly coherent (continuous) story in which he goes through a quick rundown of male confessional tropes. After "Sweat It Out" the album (until "12 Play") is kind of a palindrome: song about sex that aims slightly longer-term, failure and self-hatred (angry version), gold-digger song (angry version), gold-digger song (nicer version), failure and self-hatred (nicer version), song about sex that aims slightly longer-term. Although when he says he needs to use the right side of his brain (pun on "correct"), he means that he needs to use the LEFT side of his brain.

dabug, Monday, 9 March 2009 09:29 (fifteen years ago) link

It may just be the mp3s, but I think the album sounds a bit tinny, especially in the drums.

Terius (The Reverend), Monday, 9 March 2009 10:07 (fifteen years ago) link

been thinking that too, think it's just the mp3s, esp cuz the two officially released singles sound pretty high qual

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 10:11 (fifteen years ago) link

at the very least im holding out until tues to figure it out

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 10:11 (fifteen years ago) link

The song cycle had me going :-0 for its entire length.

Tim F, Monday, 9 March 2009 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that a compliment?

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 March 2009 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes!

Tim F, Monday, 9 March 2009 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link

yknow those kinda films where the underdog schmuck hero goes on a life journey, wins the girl, gets rich, or whatever - and then they make a sequel, and you know what you think? well this album did that to me at first, with its banal retreads (even 'rockin that', vulgarised literally + artistically) and grimly disbursed star-studded victory lap cameos all the more charmless for toasting a bigtime success as luridly unconvincing as christina milian's married to the mob peroxide dyejob nestling expectantly on the-dream's shoulder.

but then strolls in 'sweat it out', still hardcore r kellyeoke (moreso than '12play') ('hairbraider' remix almost), yet quite brilliant either way; and you settle down, beginning to think dude ruling this record's world might be okay after all. from then on the thing's a treat, and while not wanting to take anything anyway from 'lvm pts 1&2' (portishead-ass machine guns! album of the year obv!! nah syke i'm kidding) (altho- no 'ditch that' on the album, jordan?- what is lvm but 'ditch that' in excelsis??) i'm really now coming to think that the beating heart of the album is actually 'fancy' thru to 'right side of my brain'. god that is the best 10 minutes EVER.

("and deserving... she's deserving" literally kills me, like this paused moment of clarity that hadn't occured to him yet, and then the music kindles and swells, running, playing, barely catching him plunging into doubletime rap doubletime heartbeat giddy certainty! 'right side' so so devastating after that - "you heart me, baby / then you... hardly, baby" ahh the realness)

after that yeah, i'm breaking it down into chunks so i havent gotten into the last couple tracks fully but i totally deleted the fuck outta that lil jon cut too for what it's worth.

r|t|c, Monday, 9 March 2009 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link

(altho- no 'ditch that' on the album, jordan?- what is lvm but 'ditch that' in excelsis??)

i don't think i said this

and re the beginning of the album, i like the three singles A LOT, but based on love/hate and this i think it's quite possible that the singles of each are almost like a different album to him. "shawty is a 10" and "i luv your girl" are outliers sonically on l/h and the three singles on love vs. money seem attuned to the style of the album, but it's kind of hard not to see the album as starting as an Album when "put it down" hits

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

so i don't think it's a coincidence that the three singles start the album off like "well here you go" and then thematically everything locks into place and it's kind of very space mountain from then on out

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

fwiw i was wary of something that sounds like "Ditch That" when I asked, and the title track (particularly part 2) is one of my favorite parts of the album, so I'm not complaining about Jordan's implication.

Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Monday, 9 March 2009 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

really 'fancy' is everything i expected of the dream - sung by diddy on last train to paris. (not just the sweeping drama but also the piano line giving off a thomas crown affair kinda continental balling vibe - 'sinnerman' was used in a uk advert for the eurostar as well i think! but anyway yeah whatever)

xp sure 'lvm' isnt as sonically i dunno, strutty (or whatever it is that bugs you about it) as 'ditch that' i'm saying it's got an implied thematic twinship is all.

otherwise not sure what malcolm gladwell is trying to say there, hold up while ima close read

r|t|c, Monday, 9 March 2009 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link

i think he's so thematically focused (limited?) enough that if we get into 'twinship' of songs before you know it guy is going to be the octomom

Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Monday, 9 March 2009 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link

It's nice ILX is providing content for Idolator.

Mordy, Monday, 9 March 2009 16:14 (fifteen years ago) link

i doubt that any idolator readers are gonna make it all the way down to when we start talking about love vs money

also too bad that this wasn't one of those joke poll w/ nate dogg thrown in

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link

It's nice that ILX is still self-absorbed enough to think that discussion of a record that got 4 1/2 stars from Rolling Stones and will likely debut very high on Billboard can always be traced back to ILX.

Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Monday, 9 March 2009 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link

(I mean I know there's a link back and all, but still)

Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Monday, 9 March 2009 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

haha "Rolling Stones" i'll shut up now

Hateful Guard at Maryland Training School for Boys (some dude), Monday, 9 March 2009 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah ever since kanye's "my swagger's like mick jagger" line the stones have had a renewed interest in hip hop and r&b

wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link

There's a link back and the thrust of the post is: Isn't The Dream a lot like Ne-Yo??

Mordy, Monday, 9 March 2009 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, but Ne-Yo (along with T-Pain) pretty much made The-Dream's entire career possible, so it's not a terribly rare or creative comparison.

Diddyocracy (some dude), Monday, 9 March 2009 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link

shawty is a 10" and "i luv your girl" are outliers sonically on l/h and the three singles on love vs. money seem attuned to the style of the album,

no, i categorically disagree with that - for one, it was uncharted waters before l/h dropped (and kept falling for like a year), nothing sounded drastically different from the rest of the album whilst people were sinking into it. certainly not to the degree of any of lvm's three singles to date, which are stylistic shifts - the mariah sounds like mariah, the lil jon like lil jon, the kanye like post-'forever' thumbsucking music for colourful hoodies dudes (nah i dunno but i really got no love for that tune) and even 'rockin' is broader, more limelit than l/h material.

it may be more that something like 'put it down' (which is fine) has retrospectively solidified an idea of a classic dream sound.

r|t|c, Monday, 9 March 2009 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link

that barthel review is good btw! i can count on the fingers of... a stump how many people have even vaguely confronted the-dream being something of a prick and maybe being of questionable natural talent, and how that colours his music. (not even positively or negatively speaking.)

r|t|c, Monday, 9 March 2009 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link


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