they have to be relatively talent-less too imo
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
and kind of driven and bitter and charmless
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:53 (ten years ago) link
but also crucial in some way to the band's history/success, such that you can't just be easily fired for being a dick.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:54 (ten years ago) link
yeah - best Mike Loves would be people you could make a Peter Bagge-style argument for their importance, but they remain relatively unloved if not hated by the stans
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:55 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, like if Wayne Coyne is right and Kliph Scurlock is one of the most hateful assholes alive, he's still not a Mike Love.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:57 (ten years ago) link
Is Doug Yule a Mike Love?
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link
Or is that a different beast altogether?
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link
that would disqualify virtually everyone who's been named in this thread so far.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
yule is underrated!!
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
I think key term is relatively…Mike Love isn't THAT untalented, but compared to the rest of the Beach Boys, it's no contest.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
Which is why Eazy E is such a great example.
I feel like the thing that makes Yule potentially qualify is mainly Squeeze. Without that record, he'd probably be a lot less hated, and also loom a little less large in the band's history.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
i always thought of Buddy Miles as having this kind of role in Jimi Hendrix's post-Experience career, never really cared for the influence he seemed to have on Jimi's musical direction or the way he came off in interviews
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link
xposts
hmmm good question - he does get a lot of hate from VU fans, and seems like a bit of a workhorse but doesn't really seem like he has the ego to be a Mike Love, and I don't think he had enough presence for anyone to think he was a dick or uncharismatic. If anything he seems subsumed into Lou, not a rival.
generally Mike Loves had the thankless job of hauling a beloved lunatic self-sabotaging genius around while trying to make bank - and end up totally resenting their meal ticket. I think Yule
cuz: the "relatively" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in "relatively untalented"... also I think it's more about fan perceptions and the narratives around bands than whether these people could actually play and sing
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link
Mike Love isn't THAT untalented, but compared to the rest of the Beach Boys, it's no contest.
not trying to be, um, the mike love of this thread, but really? compared to dennis wilson? compared to al jardine?
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link
Ray Manzarek seemed to develop a kind of Mike Love vibe as the decades of post-Morrison Doors activity dragged on
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link
yeah, maybe 'no contest' is overstating it. I also really like Pacific Ocean Blue, so that's maybe influencing me.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:08 (ten years ago) link
also I think it's more about fan perceptions and the narratives around bands than whether these people could actually play and sing
that makes more sense to me -- with the stipulation that fan perceptions and narratives are not the world's most reliable things.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
compared to dennis wilson?
them's fightin words
(Al could play guitar, and wrote a bunch of songs by himself. Mike could barely sqwawk on the saxophone, and never composed any music whatsoever)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
mike was a great singer (i liked both brian and carl more, but that doesn't take away from mike's greatness for me in that department), and he composed a whole bunch of lyrics, some of which i like quite a bit.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
but yeah I agree about the narratives thing (I also think the narrative about the BBs is mostly correct, altho Bagge makes some interesting devil's advocate sorta points)
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:13 (ten years ago) link
yeah the Peter Bagge pushback on fan perceptions and championing of the genius-child figures in bands is key - especially the idea that without the driven bitter dick you'd have a bunch of flakes who fell apart, which is a pretty convincing pro-Johnny Ramone argument as well
but doesn't make them less dicks or necessarily mean they had to be dicks about it
― brio, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:13 (ten years ago) link
xp I like the idea of Manzarek as a Mike Love with the Ghost of Jim Morrison as his Brian.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
Or maybe people who thought Manzarek's activities seemed silly and kind of pathetic were the Brian, I don't know.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:15 (ten years ago) link
Dennis Wilson's Pacific Ocean Blue does not inspire confidence (he wasn't a "bad guy" though, just a fuck up).
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:33 (ten years ago) link
brio, if you really want to go down the lyman rabbit hole
― no lime tangier, Thursday, 22 May 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link
Nobody's mentioned Noel Gallagher?
― Mark G, Friday, 23 May 2014 00:04 (ten years ago) link
Byrne, Wareham are principal songwriters & musicians - something Mike Love never was. Feel like anybody who is that much of a creative leader of the band doesn't really qualify.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:06 PM (Yesterday)
Yes, this. Come on guys, you can't go around naming the MAIN DUDES from a band, even if they are dicks. The point about being a Mike Love is that you totally are not the main dude but you (attempt to) co-opt the band for your own purposes at some point.
― emil.y, Friday, 23 May 2014 00:18 (ten years ago) link
cleese and idle
No wai, Cleese is merely a dude with opinions about his own work, Idle is a grasping cunt who repeatedly tramples the others in his quest for props and money, and actively fucked over Innes again and again (also funny, main m/s on the books, one most responsible for keeping the name an ongoing concern, etc – a total Mike Love package)
Eazy Muthaphuckin' E
I blame that manager feller.
― rage against martin sheen (sic), Friday, 23 May 2014 00:23 (ten years ago) link
That Solar dude who controlled Guru in his final days
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Friday, 23 May 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link
"Definitely fans of early- to mid-period Wilco and Jay Bennett partisans viewed Tweedy as a Mike Love-figure."
Yeah and there was also this bit of weird nugget out there on the end of Uncle Tupelo from a former thread.
Jay Farrar on Uncle Tupelo split
Farrar does not necessarily disagree with all that, but has his own (juicier) side to contribute to history. In the lengthy Relix interview, Farrar tells journalist Antony DeCurtis that things started to unravel after he saw Tweedy stroke the hair of his girlfriend of seven years, Monica Groth (now his wife), as she was sleeping. "I found out later that he was telling her stuff, like, he loves her," says Farrar, who attempted to quit the band the next day. Tweedy was devastated. "[Tweedy's] parents called mine and said that Jeff 'wanted to be me.' I struggled with that...Then every other day for about a week he would call. After a week of sitting around with no prospects, I decided to continue."
Farrar departed the band for good in January 1994. Before leaving Tupelo, he met with Tweedy for another major confrontation. Farrar explains, "When I spoke to him about why I was quitting I basically laid it out for him. I told him that the dynamic had changed and that it wasn't fun for me anymore...His response was to call me a 'pussy.'"
Farrar's story definitely adds a different dynamic to Uncle Tupelo's end, which is what he hoped to accomplish upon ending his silence in the Relix interview. "One misconception that I find difficult to absorb is Jeff's portrayal of himself as a victim, which I find to be absurd," says Farrar. "There were steps we could have taken to have a better relationship and a better understanding. It could have happened. But it didn't."
The guy that should probably own this thread is Phil Anselmo.
― earlnash, Friday, 23 May 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link
Professor Griff. Minister of worthless ignorance.
― xelab, Friday, 23 May 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link
Richie Blackmore.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 23 May 2014 00:47 (ten years ago) link
― rage against martin sheen (sic), Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:23 PM Bookmark
Naw, Heller was an bastard but he was Eazy's bastard. Without Eazy there's no Heller and I've always gotten the impression that Eazy was always in on Heller's schemes and vice versa. Then again, I haven't read Heller's autobio but fuck that.
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 May 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link
Lars.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 May 2014 01:12 (ten years ago) link
I assume Eazy went along with Heller's schemes rather than v/v, but I just wanted to ref the line
He never attempted to exert any influence over the band in any way that we know of though. Plus Pawns In The Game is p good
― rage against martin sheen (sic), Friday, 23 May 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link
If we're talking CSNY, I don't see how it can be anyone but Neil Young. The occasionally continued existence of the group is entirely at the mercy of Neil's whims.
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 23 May 2014 01:29 (ten years ago) link
Lindsey Buckingham is the only member of Fleetwood Mac who isn't a Mike Love
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, May 22, 2014 1:17 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
christine? really? i'm not fully up on my mac lore
― goole, Friday, 23 May 2014 03:07 (ten years ago) link
i mean to the extent that after Tusk I'm pretty sure the four of them were like "never again lindsey u crazy fuck- playing it safe from now on"
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 03:21 (ten years ago) link
"THE BLOW IS NOT GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF, LINDS"
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 03:28 (ten years ago) link
People really hate on "mind gardens"?!?
― brimstead, Friday, 23 May 2014 03:33 (ten years ago) link
ftr, Birdman was a very important addition to this thread
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 May 2014 03:42 (ten years ago) link
for the hand rub alone
― goole, Friday, 23 May 2014 03:46 (ten years ago) link
Dr. C (Dr. C) wrote this on thread My vote for the worst song ever recorded on board I Love Music on May 24, 2004
The Byrds - Mind Gardens
pete s wrote this on thread Top 100 Most Skipped-Over Tracks In The History Of CDs on board I Love Music on Jan 19, 2004
26 The Byrds - Mind Gardens
dan selzer wrote this on thread Gene Clark S/D, C/D on board I Love Music on Dec 13, 2013
there is nothing good about Mind Gardens. I hate that song.
Euler (Euler) wrote this on thread My vote for the worst song ever recorded on board I Love Music on Jan 16, 2006
I'll second "Mind Gardens" by the Byrds. Crosby's songs are usually terrific but this one is a disaster; and to boot, they put an "alternate version" on the Younger Than Yesterday reissue, which really must have been a funny prank for someone...
― fit and working again, Friday, 23 May 2014 03:54 (ten years ago) link
etc etc
― fit and working again, Friday, 23 May 2014 03:55 (ten years ago) link
Brian Jones deserves mentioning. By all accounts he was an absolute monster.
Too bad Warren Zevon was a solo act because after reading his bio there's very little to like.
Sid Vicious?
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 23 May 2014 04:13 (ten years ago) link
― The Reverend, Friday, 23 May 2014 03:42 (40 minutes ago) Permalink
thanks, i try
― nova, Friday, 23 May 2014 04:23 (ten years ago) link
richard ashcroft
― mookieproof, Friday, 23 May 2014 04:33 (ten years ago) link
Somewhat unrelated, but I've been looking up which band members own the rights to their band's name.
I dunno, this guy would've been my third guess for this band.
― pplains, Friday, 23 May 2014 04:44 (ten years ago) link
he's been the only constant band member since they formed.
― fit and working again, Friday, 23 May 2014 04:52 (ten years ago) link