i would call a 20 year break up a 'career decline'
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 03:33 (ten years ago) link
90's US underground version of this is Jesus Lizard's Down
― Master of Treacle, viernes 23 de mayo de 2014 00:38 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
mmmm, Girls Against Boys' House of GVSB maybe?
― cock chirea, Friday, 23 May 2014 03:37 (ten years ago) link
Wouldn't it be Freak*on*ica?
― DonkeyTeeth, Friday, 23 May 2014 05:12 (ten years ago) link
Actually, you're probably right. Freak*on*ica was the long career decline one.
― DonkeyTeeth, Friday, 23 May 2014 05:14 (ten years ago) link
no, Freak*on*ica was a gigantic misfire. New Jersey's are popular-at-the moment records that, on the surface, seem to be continuing the artist's success, but in reality are a mirage of sorts. A New Jersey is a record whose success masks that the bottom has already fallen out. Very often the big, successful singles from a New Jersey disappear from the culture at large.
― intheblanks, Friday, 23 May 2014 05:16 (ten years ago) link
Also Freak*on*ica didn't even make the top 100. It's the record where GVSB fell off, but that isn't synonymous with a New Jersey as defined throughout this thread.
― intheblanks, Friday, 23 May 2014 05:17 (ten years ago) link
Ha, yes! I figured that out though. Just posted too fast.
― DonkeyTeeth, Friday, 23 May 2014 05:36 (ten years ago) link
Freak*on*ica was really awful.
totally with you on that, such an embarrassment.
― intheblanks, Friday, 23 May 2014 05:37 (ten years ago) link
Was Sonic Youth discussed itt? I guess purist stans would say Goo was their New Jersey. I don't buy it myself (it lead off to Dirty, my fave record of theirs during the 90s) but I can see how an argument could be made for Goo as the start of SY's long creative decline.
― cock chirea, Friday, 23 May 2014 06:06 (ten years ago) link
I thought of this concept when I was listening to the actual New Jersey the other day, and you don't even have to go further than Bad Medicine to know it was all over.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 May 2014 06:23 (ten years ago) link
Sum 41 - Chuck
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 06:31 (ten years ago) link
I bet slightly different eras of Sonic Youth fans would argue that Goo or Dirty or Experimental Jet Set were their New Jerseys. And the people in those eras would have aged about 2 years. (I like all those records though.)
― DonkeyTeeth, Friday, 23 May 2014 06:38 (ten years ago) link
Except that they kept getting more popular during that time. Washing Machine?
― DonkeyTeeth, Friday, 23 May 2014 06:40 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, it feels like to me that SY were at peak popularity around Washing Machine/SYR eps/A Thousand Leaves, even if none of those are among their best albums.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 May 2014 06:42 (ten years ago) link
I really need to start thinking through these things before I post. Dirty was big, and Experimental Jet Set was very much looked forward to, and they got to be on the Simpsons from that, but people didn't love it, and their popularity went down after that. So I think it's that one.
― DonkeyTeeth, Friday, 23 May 2014 06:43 (ten years ago) link
Really, I think they were much bigger before Washing Machine and post?
― DonkeyTeeth, Friday, 23 May 2014 06:44 (ten years ago) link
Dirty was probably their most commercially successful album (just guessing, I don't know for sure), but mid to late 90s is when they had completely saturated the discussion.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 May 2014 06:44 (ten years ago) link
joan of arc's third album, man all the DJs were playing that on my college radio station and I saw one the other day and was like "lol remember that joan of arc album?" and he was like "whut?" and then I screamed "NEW JERSEY!" at him until we were both in tears
― da croupier, Friday, 23 May 2014 07:46 (ten years ago) link
I guess Mylo Xyloto would qualify for Coldplay on sales alone but I dig it and their new one so iono
― nova, Friday, 23 May 2014 08:04 (ten years ago) link
Yallsodono whether ghost stories is their keep the faith yet so hold yer damn horses
― da croupier, Friday, 23 May 2014 08:11 (ten years ago) link
Adele's New Jersey is obviously 28
― da croupier, Friday, 23 May 2014 08:12 (ten years ago) link
"yallsodono"
lol
― nova, Friday, 23 May 2014 08:12 (ten years ago) link
For real though, Prism actually seems like a New Jersey, right? Teenage Dream sold 6 million worldwide, had 5 #1 singles (6 if you count "Part of Me" from the deluxe edition). Prism sold big initially and has had 2 #1s, but its momentum is kind of waning.
― J. Sam, Friday, 23 May 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
it's really hard to say when someone's huge career peak also ultimately felt a bit hollow and signaled a career decline
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Friday, 23 May 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
did you guys hear that bon jovi is putting out a deluxe edition of their New Jersey?! www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bon-jovi-celebrate-three-decades-with-extensive-new-jersey-reissue-20140520
― tylerw, Friday, 23 May 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
haha they're STARTING the reissue program with New Jersey instead of Slippery When Wet?
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Friday, 23 May 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
aaaaand Dolly Parton recorded a cover of "Lay Your Hands on Me" on her new album.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 May 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
i didn't think it was possible for her to cover something worse than Collective Soul's "Shine"
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Friday, 23 May 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
omg she did what
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
it's not bad!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 May 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
http://maxcdn.top40-charts.com/thumb.php?x=342&&i=http://top40-charts.com/images/news/20140211021028-Collective-Soul-Announces-9th-Studio-Album-Celebra.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 23 May 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
Re prism, Pointless to consider an album for New Jersey status until its clear the next one is Keep The Faith.
― da croupier, Friday, 23 May 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
Newest album to arguably pass that muster I can think of is Born This Way
― da croupier, Friday, 23 May 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 23 May 2014 19:13 (ten years ago) link
i dunno, isn't it at war with the mystics? yoshimi has "do you realize"
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 23 May 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link
the yeah yeah yeah song from at war with the mystics did fairly well, yeah? no one remembers that one
Robbie Williams - Sing When You're Winning
― Toni Braxton-Hicks (Turrican), Friday, 23 May 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
One mention way up there, but Moby - 18.
― That's So (Eazy), Friday, 23 May 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link
18 definitely debuted high, but I remember it having kind of a dead-on-arrival feel. Like, the lead single was so dire that everyone knew instantly that "Moby-as-pop-music-force" was over. It wasn't an instance of "outwardly successful but ultimately hollow" as far as I can remember.
― intheblanks, Friday, 23 May 2014 22:20 (ten years ago) link
I feel like with all these cult maybe-platinum-once-maybe people keep mentioning for no goddamn sensible reason there's no fucking New Jersey (obv you fuckin solipsistic schmindie fools) but there is that album that was clearly a commercial grab that maybe charted relatively high but it was clear by the follow up that a cult act was all they were ever gonna be: Paul Westerbergs Eventually, Jon Spencer's Acme, that kinda thing.
But Jesus anyone calling that a New Jersey needs to go lick richie samboras boot until they see the light
― da croupier, Saturday, 24 May 2014 00:23 (ten years ago) link
yeah you guys are missing the point of this thread: they gotta be followups to blockbusters.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 24 May 2014 00:26 (ten years ago) link
just want to drop in and give thx to bon jovi for realising that new jersey is in fact their best album
― balls, Saturday, 24 May 2014 00:29 (ten years ago) link
I'm sure they thought that even at the time, since they probably had the biggest budget they'd ever had.
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Saturday, 24 May 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link
prism never felt like an event album to me although yes it was a followup to a blockbuster
― dyl, Saturday, 24 May 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link
jesus…. centipede hz might be a fairweather johnsonmr impossible by black dice is a fairweather johnson
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 25 May 2014 08:31 (ten years ago) link
Yeah Alfred OTM, why are people talking about Sonic Youth or the Flaming Lips or Animal Collective on this thread?
― Matt DC, Sunday, 25 May 2014 11:42 (ten years ago) link
ilx quotas
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 May 2014 11:45 (ten years ago) link
There's also these artists whose popularity massively exceeds the extent to which people actually talk about them - I have no idea if there's a Michael Buble or Snow Patrol New Jersey.
The last undeniable New Jersey is probably the 20/20 Experience. Although I'm guessing that the One Direction one, when it appears, is going to be huge and pronounced.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 25 May 2014 12:00 (ten years ago) link
I'd probably deny 2020 with a "too soon to tell" esp considering dude is in the top ten with a song off part 2 right now
― da croupier, Sunday, 25 May 2014 12:15 (ten years ago) link