The "bad guy" in the band: who are the other Mike Loves in music?

true, without the essential "is x a mike love" it degenerates into "who's the biggest dick?" pretty quick

ignore my last post, it sets Mike Love theory back by hours

how about in other realms? Is Larry Summers the Mike Love of the Obama administration (or was it Rahm?)

rahm is a lump of the purest mike love

Rahm Emmanuel is definitely a Mike Love type, but politics may be so Mike Love-heavy it might be impossible to apply this.

my glove is the Mike Love of my winter clothes, it's always going rogue and getting lost in the closet when it's snowing

this thread is amazing

Can managers count?

Matthew Katz of Moby Grape

Penultimate may have been a poor choice of words. My train if thought was that if mike love is the ultimate mike love , Johnny ramone is a close second. Cummings owns this thread.

this thread is amazing

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Agreed. It's tasty.

this thread inspired tonight's karaoke rendition of "Kokomo"

*gasface*

I have been super-enjoying this thread, but probably a bit too much, as last night I very earnestly asked the singer in my band if I was the Mike Love. I think I might be the Mike Love. Nooooooooooooooo!

Thinking about this thread, it's amazing how many of my favourite bands are helmed by a single, unchallengeable creative genius, with loyal satellites in fealty, rather than a democracy of shifting power.

I suppose that if you have a powerful creative vision, you'll surround yourself by those who'll help you realise it, not those who'll distort it. Am now trying to think of counterexamples.

Uhhh... the Beach Boys?

amongst his faves, i think he means

or that haven't been mentioned here yet

I suppose that if you have a powerful creative vision, you'll surround yourself by those who'll help you realise it, not those who'll distort it.

This is just such a weird thing to say. Like, of course nobody sets out to play music with other people who are going to fuck up your shit. It's like saying "I suppose if you want friends you'll surround yourself with people who you get on with, not people who punch you in the face".

imago - not a fan of jazz?

I should have said - not those who'll potentially distort it (by imposing their own vision, which might lie at odds with one's own)

I like certain jazz-style groups, like Soft Machine, who've already been mentioned, although the artists involved were largely all so good that creative differences were transcended

yet still plays with them sometimes?

he's played a total of 80 minutes with them, in one 25-hour period, in the last 26 years (ie one section of two three-hour concerts)

I'd actually argue that bands are better with some friction between competing interests and aesthetics

Problem with the visionary and minions view is tons of corny motherfuckers w medium talent think they are geniuses but 1 in 10 million are.

oh, sure it's good to have players who synergise in interesting ways that abet the vision, and occasionally add to it, but I'm just saying - most of my favourite acts tend to have one principal songwriter who is usually regarded as the band's enduring totem

yes yes you mainly listen to rock music we get it

Miles Davis seemed to balance the tyrannical band leader/nurturer of creativity thing perfectly for decades. But I suppose it helped that he had a shrewd talent for recruiting nothing but the most exceptional musicians and he was actually a genius.

"I like certain jazz-style groups, like Soft Machine, who've already been mentioned, although the artists involved were largely all so good that creative differences were transcended"

weirdest soft machine albums are the late 70's ones where none of the original members are in the band. that's one way to work around the creative geniuses of a group.

Have we arrived at a single non-Mike Love Mike Love yet? Feel like the definition keeps getting more and more specific and now nobody can be considered for the position.

frank zappa has some definite mike love qualities.

How about Pink Floyd? You could say Syd was the main creative force behind it and everything past that has been a power grab?

lol, M@tt.

There is more to Miles Davis's leadership than just picking the best musicians. There is some quote to the effect that "maybe a guy could only play two notes, but if Miles LIKES those two notes..."

Yeah, totally. And to use one example, he recruited Keith Jarrett who had not only never played electric piano before, but was vocal about his hatred of the instrument. So Miles says, "Hey, you know that thing you hate? Do that."

Ha, it was Keith Jarrett who said it: http://downbeat.com/microsites/ecm-jarrett/post_3-inner-octaves-of-jarrett.html

lol.

Given his "diseased organism" comment, I'm thinking Keith Jarrett was the Mike Love of that Miles group.

it doesn't sound like he was a fan of Chick & Dave for sure!

Thinking about this thread, it's amazing how many of my favourite bands are helmed by a single, unchallengeable creative genius, with loyal satellites in fealty, rather than a democracy of shifting power.

More likely helmed by that one guy who takes all the credit for everyone else's work, no?

Axl doesn't fit?

ROGER WATERS???

Tommy Shaw would work except he's more talented than Dennis DeYoung and DeYoung's also the bigger asshole.

I have a vague sense of Tony Hadley being the Mike Love of Spandau Ballet, though I don't really know enough about the inner workings of Spandau Ballet to be confident that this is fair, he does meet the criteria of being openly right wing and generally coming across as chippy and bitter.

I thought Spiny Norman would have been the Spandau Ballet example? (Also Gary Kemp admits to being useless and only being able to play the bare minimum that Martin showed him.)

I was thinking about what would be the opposite of a Mike Love--as in, an individual who was not the main songwriter or creative force in a band, but who represented to many of the fans the true spirit of the band, and was sometimes pushing against the direction the "genius" leader wanted to take the band. I'm thinking maybe of one of the Stinsons in the Replacements.

Yeah, Bob Stinson. Or Brian Jones.

that's pretty close to the bez right?

Eddie Hazel sorta

Brian Jones was the genius leader in the early days of the Stones

sure...until he went bugfuck crazy

The anti-Mike Love of G'nR would be Izzy Stradlin.

Roxy Music was, and is, Ferry's band but all eyes, especially those of the Americans who saw Roxy on its late 72 US tour, were invariably fixed on the enticing, sinister, spangled and feathered vision at stage right that was Eno. The process of indentification / association was obvious and immediate. The whole band looked spectacular, but even so Eno stood out. You can't tell the players without a program or the leader without a bio, and audiences simply assumed that Eno was Roxy Music while Bryan pumped away at the opposite side, singing and sweating and getting as much recognition as a ventriloquist's dummy.

I was thinking about what would be the opposite of a Mike Love--as in, an individual who was not the main songwriter or creative force in a band, but who represented to many of the fans the true spirit of the band, and was sometimes pushing against the direction the "genius" leader wanted to take the band. I'm thinking maybe of one of the Stinsons in the Replacements.

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Lately, Richard Lloyd? Ppl vociferously wanting nothing to do with a TV sans him.

Lloyd is key when you realise how much of the parts on MM is him