― chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link
― LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link
Wow, I thought I had idee fixes. (That said, Chuck's talk on Nirvana in Accidental History is some great stuff.) The great alternate history of our time: Andrew Wood never dies, Mother Love Bone continues to one extent or another and Eddie Vedder + Pearl Jam music never becomes famous. Result?
ever listened to their debut?
Yes, unfortunately. That was a mistake.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:00 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago) link
So how come the lifeless shmucks in Alice in Drains never did a song one zillionth as catchy or rocking or energetic as "You're in Love" or Ratt's excellent 1983 indie EP version of "Walkin' the Dog" (much LESS "Round and Round")??? Which should partly answer Ned's question.
― Chuck "I'm in Love with the World" Eddy, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link
Partly, indeed. Context -- Ratt were 'big' in the sense that I knew about them when "Round and Round" hit in 1984 and they appeared on the Top 40 station I listened to in upstate New York, which was as good an indicator as anything. But hell, I even remember more songs from Quiet Riot at that time from the same source.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:12 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:13 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago) link
But I can't sing! I can grunt a bit.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link
I dunno if "Lay It Down" was a "smash single," but it did get a very entertaining video.
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago) link
But you know who the BEST bubblegrunge band were? Days of the New!!! Their second album, after the main guy fired everybody else in the band, is a stone cold world-rhythm-disco hard sludge classic, no shit.
― chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:20 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Sym (shmuel), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:28 (twenty years ago) link
Static X!! And do those first two Crazytown singles count??
Seven Mary Three seemed so totally leaden (at least in their hit -- heaviest bubblegrunge hit ever, maybe??) that sometimes I wonder if I could appreciate them now in a stoner rock sense. I doubt it, though.
― chuck, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago) link
I had forgotten how good that Posies "Frosting On the Beater" album was.
― Rock bastard, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:47 (twenty years ago) link
Please don't interpret this as a defense of Pearl Jam, but WRONG!
Plus, Collective Soul's first and biggest hit was basically that old church song "This little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine."
Uh, no. Have you ever heard "this Little Light of Mine" (recently covered by Firewater, btw). It sounds nothing like "Shine". They're both a fuckin' TRIAL to listen to (even F'water's version, honestly), but they're nothing alike otherwise.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link
I can't say I really remember what they sound like, but as I recall, Stabbing Westward attempted to align themselves more with the faux-industrial scene ala NIN than with the grunge corps.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link
"Spin the Black Circle""Animal""State of Love & Trust""Deep"
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Stupid (Stupid), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
WHICH "critics"? And which "everyone"? Some critics loved Veruca Salt; the ones that didn't, uh, maybe just didn't think they were any GOOD? Just a wild guess. I don't remember anybody hating them, though. I thought they were ok, I suppose. I think "Seether" finished pretty high in Pazz and Jop the year it came out. As for Albini/Urge, I have no idea what you mean. He produced their very first EP *Strange, I...* (1985 or so?), if I remember right. (I was one of the only critics on earth who heard it at the time, and I reviewed it in a very stupid way in the Voice, owing largley to a collaborative Albini/Katrud {or whatever his name was} project called Run Nigger Run, I believe. You can look it up if you want.) Urge's only real big critics record was *Saturation,* which yeah, lots of people (maybe even me) seem to agree was the best thing they ever did. So I don't know when this "turning against them" is supposed to have happened...
Stabbing Westward were really more a rock band (with some decent Led Zep steals!) than an industrial band, no matter who they tried to align themselves with (for logistical reasons etc) at the time.
― chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 00:06 (twenty years ago) link
Heard it?? I used to sing it in church!!! (And just 'cause Collective Soul's version doesn't "sound" like it per se doesn't mean it's not basically the same song, which is what I said up above. I guarantee those sons of preachers men sang it in church growing up, too.)
― chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 00:10 (twenty years ago) link
When Urge Overkill moved to a major label steve albini stopped talking to Nash kato(who was his old room mate) . Perhaps Ned will know more on this.
― Rock bastard, Monday, 15 March 2004 00:11 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:13 (twenty years ago) link
But I still have my pic sleeve 45 of Ratt's "Way Cool Jr." (only good song from that album tho) so I probably would think that.
― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link
well, yeah, that's completely OTM. but i'll happily take an album with five or six songs i love, even if i can't stand the other half of it.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link
I really wish the band Sponge didn’t suck because it’s such a great 90s dirtbag/grunge band name .
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Friday, 13 January 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link