well i didn't mean specifically on ILM, but yeah haha
― Diddyocracy (some dude), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
"fancy" is the only one of the suite that i couldn't see working outside the context of the four (decide for yourself it that's a testament or a drawback) but the arrangement — besides how busy and deep it is — works as palate cleanser of sorts in between the overblown hugeness of the other three songs. still i can't help but see it as a prelude to the real payoff, "right side of my brain"
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link
late registration would be an interesting comparison point cuz i certainly feel like there are some songs on lvm that make l/h look like child's play, which is how i feel about late reg and college dropout. i guess for me tho late reg works despite (and because of) its all over the place inconsistency where as lvm is a pretty tight cohesive package. the jump in scope is applicable i think tho
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Monday, 9 March 2009 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link
xp *GASP* 4 the love of god there's no lecherous braggartness in 'bed'!! that tune is the picture of sexy marital bliss!
It can't be both?
"love you 'til your eyes roll back"; "I'm a put you to bed"
― Andy K, Monday, 9 March 2009 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
in his belated allmusic review of Love/Hate (somewhat a regurgitation of previous arguments made here):
FWIW it was published super belatedly due to a technical fuck-up on my end. It was written the second week of January '08.
― Andy K, Monday, 9 March 2009 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link
usually when i get like what dj dmdeej is saying it's either to do with some "meaningful" part of the artist narrative getting ignored (when you've been there cradling it since day dot) or some greater miscarriage of genre justice - with lvm neither really feel applicable. (dream's moms might be all "wheres my generic song motherfucker!!" tho i guess.) it's like even if you thought late registration was some overblown claptrap you were never gonna be dialling the waahmbulance cos a/ it's just kanye stuffz and b/ the battle for soul of rap won't ever be taking place over college dropout.
― r|t|c, Monday, March 9, 2009 3:25 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah i agree & actually late registration is a great comparison pt.
this is basically why im just admitting that i have no good reasons to be a dick about it, just that its my inclination -- lol ilm!!
― 51 SBs on my dresser, yessir (deej), Monday, 9 March 2009 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
deej you would have a point if this whole conversation wasn't taking place among people who were repping for (or at least hating on) The-Dream a year ago
― Terius (The Reverend), Monday, 9 March 2009 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
rev you would have a point if deej didnt already answer plaxico's exact same charge 3 hours ago
― r|t|c, Monday, 9 March 2009 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link
my bad
― Terius (The Reverend), Monday, 9 March 2009 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link
which of these lines was meant to be lechy braggy btw?
― r|t|c, Monday, 9 March 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe it's just a word choice thing, i dunno - always assumed 'lecherous' was the pejorative crosssing the line of cheekier 'lewd' or 'lusty' or whatever, but can't find a dictionary defn to back me up. lech, retch, kvetch.
― r|t|c, Monday, 9 March 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
"love you 'til your eyes roll back" - braggy; not lechy?
"I'm a put you to bed" - neither?
― Terius (The Reverend), Monday, 9 March 2009 23:47 (fifteen years ago) link
well isn't "I'ma put you to bed" basically the same braggy statement Ice Cube makes when he says "so deep, putt her butt to sleep," but in less explicit terms? that's how I always heard the song anyway. I mean, "Bed" is the song The-Dream said was too 'mature' to sell to Chris Brown.
― Badazz Luhrmann (some dude), Monday, 9 March 2009 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Right -- "...put you to bed" in this context is not exactly just literal, is it? It's not "poundin' you down 'til your eyeballs pop out," but still.
(And besides, the same sentence contains "charmingly vulnerable romantic" -- so it's not like I'm saying he's Luther Campbell.)
(lechery as in "intense desire or craving for gratification and excitement")
― Andy K, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 01:20 (fifteen years ago) link
but then at the same time this is all part of the attraction too, because he is an underdog in the vein of all your t-pain sad panda interlopers and sundry karoke autotuners
this reminds me -- I can't be the only person who was horribly disappointed at the end of the "Blame It" video when the guy in the panda suit took off the head and it was Jamie, not T-Pain
― Badazz Luhrmann (some dude), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link
so "mr. yeah" is basically tricky reworking his remix of "touch my body" right? right down to that slight rattling noise even
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 09:21 (fifteen years ago) link
ok im only 14 seconds into the "my love" video and i've already lost it @ dream and mariah acting out a spousal argument and also mariah as hoodrat
http://i40.tinypic.com/10wn0xk.png
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 09:42 (fifteen years ago) link
lol at WE NEED HEAT
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 09:43 (fifteen years ago) link
wait till dream finds out that she's still having an affair with kenneth the page
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 09:44 (fifteen years ago) link
this video is inane - he's just standing by a piano fondling his grammy?
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 09:49 (fifteen years ago) link
anyone else find it creepy that dream makes the two featured female artists on his albums pretend to be madly in love with him? i always thought that the phone call at the beginning of "livin a lie" was weird and now this video with mariah longingly gazing at magazine covers of him. or is that 'assimilation' part of his genius?
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 09:51 (fifteen years ago) link
lol i thought you meant kanye for a minute there
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 10:15 (fifteen years ago) link
that video makes "My Love" somewhat entertaining but i still don't get what you guys see in that song, it's so bland. "Touch My Body" was nice but The-Dream writing an entire Mariah album seems like a terrible idea.
― Badazz Luhrmann (some dude), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:02 (fifteen years ago) link
"My Love" sounds like an inferior "We Belong Together."
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:09 (fifteen years ago) link
see, in a regular r&b context this sort of thing is no great shakes - with dream though it feels particularly unlikely somehow. not just because of looks or artistic credibility, but cos he doesn't even seem like he'd be much of a conversationalist either, more of a chronic mumbler.
(also watching the 'my love' vid, it's interesting comparing his sunglasses style with say t-pain or lil jon. t & lj use the instant glamour to validate the sensitive nerds they secretly are, looking totally regular (uh ok maybe not jon but yknow what i mean) and vulnerable when they take them off; dream almost seems to use them to be sensitive in the first place, because his eyes are even more blank and inscrutable than the glasses. where is he even looking!)
anyway this is striking moreso on l/h since rihanna's a recurring figure - lover/friend/companion-thru-rise-to-stardom, something deeper and more intimate than the usual 3 minute collabo fling. (this doesnt really apply so much to mariah cos her whole thing is always that she fully adores whoever she's with at that moment, including you the listener. so we love her too.) i wouldnt say it was creepy necessarily but it is vaguely unreal yeah, almost like a fantasy. and this is why i invoked stuff like him singing in the mirror, kells posters stuck to his bedroom wall, playing out this world where he's a megastar, celebrities on his arm, keys to prince's corvette dangling lightly in the ignition. his ex knowing he she was wrong - any day now nikki will show up, any day.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:12 (fifteen years ago) link
orphic fanfic - blame it on the co-o-o-o-o-ffee, baby.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link
isn't it so great when t-pain refs dream at the end of his 'blame it' verse btw!! i don't even know why it's so satisfying, but it really is.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link
haha that bit totally justifies the existence of "I Luv Your Girl" imo
― Badazz Luhrmann (some dude), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link
i just wish it was The-Dream and not Kanye that sang a bit of "I Can't Believe It" on the song they do on the Jamie Foxx record, to complete the circle
― Badazz Luhrmann (some dude), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
― r|t|c, Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:22 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
as an unapologetic stan of both t-pain and the-dream i had a boner that ripped through my pants, yes
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
btw - yall think i could get a job tagging mp3s for major labels? i just put the love vs money cd into my computer and the whole thing came in as "Love V/S Money" and "kelly's 12 play" was tagged as "kelly" - like, how hard is it to tag an mp3, really?
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Lovev/Smoney
― The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I bought the first album on Amazon's mp3 store and it showed up in my iTunes tagged as "Lovehate"
― blame it on the HOOS got you steenin' loose (some dude), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I still can't believe people here (and not just Ship) hate on "I Luv Your Girl"
― The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
how did you change the bracket-ey part of your name?
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link
two diff log-ins
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
i can't really figure out what "blame it" has to do with "i luv your girl" i dont hear it
― autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
: ( Sick of these constraining shackles, but I still want to be able to get webmail.
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
T-Pain's entire verse is written around references to "I Luv Your Girl" and the whole stuttering vocal hook of "Blame It" is pretty similar, although I might only hear the latter because of the former.
― blame it on the HOOS got you steenin' loose (some dude), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link
oh. i think you guys pay way more attention to this little corner of RnB than I do.
I fucks with this new T-D album though so I need to get up on all the other stuff. I'll probably go dl Thr33 Ringz. then maybe the J Foxx album and erase the tracks without any guests...
― autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:01 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:02 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Year, "rev" = my imgs-off account I use when at school.
― The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah*
xxxxxxxxxp deej I get what you're saying about not wanting to react negatively to all of the hype around this... I mean, I'm still kind of skeptical about all of the praise this is getting from certain people, but it is a great album and is deserving of the praise so... maybe this will get people to check out more modern r&b - lvm is a great album, but there are lots of others! j holiday just released a really good follow-up album. maybe it isn't as exciting or as much of an 'event'album as LvM but it's a really good record.
― messageboard killa/ilx gorilla (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 06:46 (fifteen years ago) link
about wanting to**
― messageboard killa/ilx gorilla (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 06:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyway, I went to buy this and it was SOLD OUT at two different stores. This album really feels like an EVENT - the 106 & Park takeover, sold out a bunch of places, rave reviews, everyone seems excited about it (not just on the internet), which is so cool...
also "mr. yeah" is my new favorite song on this.
― messageboard killa/ilx gorilla (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 06:51 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah it feels really fun to be into the album right now - last time i felt this type of fervor was with carter III i think
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 06:57 (fifteen years ago) link
where's he gonna debut? top 5? definitely behind U2 and clarkson, will it lose out to swift? if lamb of god can beat out the jonas brothers i think maybe dream can too?
― wow heaven is cool (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 07:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah I'm thinking top 5 definitely, I think #3 is a possibility. It's #2 on iTunes - I don't know if thats a barometer or anything, but watevs.
― messageboard killa/ilx gorilla (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 07:06 (fifteen years ago) link
on 106 today he said he expects the album to sell 3 Million which is kind of o_O
― messageboard killa/ilx gorilla (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 07:07 (fifteen years ago) link
btw this whole thing with him and Christina Millian (and her new image) is hilarious
― messageboard killa/ilx gorilla (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 07:08 (fifteen years ago) link