you're soaking in it
― Pew Nornographers (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:57 (nine years ago) link
welcome to the world of "explainer journalism" by people who have read wikipedia
― maura, Thursday, 19 June 2014 13:43 (nine years ago) link
[ Interest over time ]
now awaiting FT article disputing kelsey mckinney's data
― j., Thursday, 19 June 2014 14:18 (nine years ago) link
HOW SNOOP DOGGY DOGG BECAME SNOOP DOGG AND OTHER SHOWBIZ TRICKS TO FOOL U
― j., Thursday, 19 June 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
GWAR - real or fake?
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Thursday, 19 June 2014 14:30 (nine years ago) link
Andrew W.K. - Steev Mike or Steve Harper?
― franklin, Thursday, 19 June 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link
Yo Vox Is it true Vordul got sonned by a wite kid after a aol beef?
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
"I do get that new releases on vinyl can get pricey – and therefore have the potential to create an elitist audience – but in a climate in which indie musicians can open for Radiohead and still not afford health insurance, anything that creates a way to bring real, live musicians closer to making monday off their work, so that that they can make more of it – hey, that's cool with me."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/21/vinyl-record-collector-sales-jack-white
― scott seward, Sunday, 22 June 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
can someone break that sentence down for me?
"So, even as yet another person in another underpaid creative field who is busy collecting probably one too many records, I'm happy to spend whatever I can afford."
that "even as yet" has got to go. you could probably learn that in a class somewhere.
― scott seward, Sunday, 22 June 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link
"Rainy Day Records up the block, however, was the platonic ideal of a local record store: half dozen or so boxes of 45s (sorted by new, used and local bands)..."
i hate those used bands. they are the worst.
― scott seward, Sunday, 22 June 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
6 PEOPLE, 24 COMMENTS whood21 June 2014 12:56pm
I've just had a very nice avocado sandwich. Can I have a column, please?
― scott seward, Sunday, 22 June 2014 17:14 (nine years ago) link
a golden oldie. I am not British so I don't know how long John Harris has been giving the music coverage in the Guardian a bad name, but this has to be a low point for the publication:
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2007/jan/05/popandrock
― noir-ish need apply (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 22 June 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link
(Although it does use the word 'acme' in a sentence, which I rarely come across, so that's kinda cool I guess)
― noir-ish need apply (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 22 June 2014 21:44 (nine years ago) link
John Harris continues to give music coverage in the Guardian a bad name to this day
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jun/20/warpaint-cate-le-bon-st-vincent-rocks-future-is-female
― soref, Sunday, 22 June 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link
That funk thing by JH makes a worse case than the student item in the first post. I got bored into giving up before even managing to get to the offensive part in that women in rock one, but then I don't think I got past the first paragraph either.
― now I'm the grandfather (dog latin), Monday, 23 June 2014 00:28 (nine years ago) link
factual errors and questionable theses you can drive a boom clap through:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopfeatures/10905375/Is-Charli-XCX-the-new-Adele.html
― katherine, Monday, 23 June 2014 05:30 (nine years ago) link
Casey Kasem, Ronald Reagan and music’s 1 percent: Artificial “popularity” is not democracy
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/22/casey_kasem_ronald_reagan_and_musics_1_percent_artificial_popularity_is_not_democracy/
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2014 05:40 (nine years ago) link
http://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/blog/jacques-greene-brought-back-house-music-for-the-people
― one time gaffled 'em up (one time), Monday, 23 June 2014 05:44 (nine years ago) link
A WHIFF OF SANITY in that Salon piece.
Christ, Casey Kasem as a fucking icon, and anyone who uses "centrism" re music needs a thrashing.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 June 2014 10:35 (nine years ago) link
I gave up/fell asleep when I got to the "centrism" bit. No point my getting annoyed about this or any of the linked Grauniad/Torygraph pieces because they are clickbait rather than proper music writing.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 23 June 2014 11:12 (nine years ago) link
holy fucking fuck at that Noisey one - is Noisey one of the worst sites in history?
― online hardman, Monday, 23 June 2014 11:39 (nine years ago) link
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius),
The point about centrism is the pearl in the shit. The rest is drivel.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
I have always liked "Bette Davis Eyes" fwiw
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 June 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link
post clip of karaoke performance plz
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2014 15:38 (nine years ago) link
The kasem challops thinkpieces that spawned that salon article seem equally shit though. There's nothing "brave" about what Casey Kasem did, he was a pop DJ, not a music critic. He performed the exact function he was supposed to perform, for lots of money. It seems revisionist in a REALLY confused way to imagine that he was the underdog in a battle against...I don't even know what. It's like, you might credit someone like a George Plimpton for allowing value to sports within "intellectual" culture, but Marv Albert is a sports guy doing a sports guy's job for a sports-loving public.
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 June 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
The headline on the Salon thing -- "Artificial popularity is not 'democracy'" -- is the plaintive cry of losing student-government candidates everywhere.
I admit I didn't read many of the Kasem appreciations, but the ones I saw were less celebrations of him as a musical force than nostalgic childhood reveries. I never had any illusion that Casey himself was the one picking the winners, or that the show was somehow a manifestation of his taste. He was just the friendly guy who showed up with that week's news.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 June 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
Hurting 2 otm, at least with regards to the Slate piece that originally used the word "centrist." I like Casey Kasem a lot; he seems like a good guy, and obviously had a great voice and a talent for using it. But that Slate piece envisioned him a poptimist warrior-analyst who fought the good fight against rockism for years.
― intheblanks, Monday, 23 June 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
He was just the friendly guy who showed up with that week's news.
This is sort of the same thing as lots of people thinking of TV news anchors as journalists. (Including some TV news anchors, I bet.) I much prefer the UK term "newsreader," because that's all they do - read the news that other people gathered, while making sincere/trustworthy/empathetic faces.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 23 June 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
Kasem didn't even like music
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 June 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
these guys are from england and who gives a shit
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Monday, 23 June 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
I like Casey Kasem a lot; he seems like a good guy, and obviously had a great voice and a talent for using it. But that Slate piece envisioned him a poptimist warrior-analyst who fought the good fight against rockism for years.
― intheblanks, Monday, June 23, 2014 12:10 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Meanwhile, the actual good fight he fought has gone largely unremarked-upon in his obits: http://articles.latimes.com/1993-05-17/entertainment/ca-36376_1_aladdin-lyrics-magic
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 23 June 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, it was cool to learn about his activism for better Arab-American representation in the media, including quitting the Transformers cartoon.
― intheblanks, Monday, 23 June 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/07/amanda_petrusich_s_do_not_sell_at_any_price_reviewed_by_sarah_o_holla.html
"What's the Right Way For a Woman To Listen To (Or Write About) Music?"
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Sunday, 13 July 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
I haven't read her blog in any detail, but that seems like a fairly reasonable piece.
― odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Sunday, 13 July 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link
presented here less as evidence of bad writing, more a continuation of earlier discussion itt. The contention that women music writers tried to "shout her down" seems over the top, treating a brief bout of criticism on Twitter like #cancelcolbert or something.
― relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Sunday, 13 July 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
a brief bout of criticism on Twitter
Don't forget 60-70* irate thinkpieces on all the expected sites.
*exaggeration for effect
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 13 July 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
I forget what position I took on the blog when it first emerged but that book review is anything but a bad or disingenuous piece of writing. It resonated with me. I wish more "average" listeners felt comfortable engaging with all kinds of music and talking about their experiences. Art is about staging encounters between audience and object; there shouldn't be any qualifications involved
― Treeship, Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
are average listeners really given any insight by an average listener telling them about their average experience
― j., Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
Idk you'd have to ask them. Her blog has a lot of readers so there's clearly some appeal there
― Treeship, Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
If there's one thing we need to fight for, it's not the right of average listeners to opine at length.
― La Lechera, Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
uggh
― maura, Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
i want to read more about naive people engaging in things like records or drinking expensive wine without context because i suspect their reactions cut more to the essential properties of the thing (this seminal record is blah, this expensive wine tastes the same as box wine) unaided by the heavy lifting of the culture around it, but the sense I got from her record blog was she was actually pretty well-informed about what sort of space each record was supposed to occupy.
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
"Opine" isn't what she does though. The blog is a journal of her listening experience. I've only read a few entries, but they're well written and probably relatable for people who feel intimidated by their local record shop. There are many levels on which one can engage with a work and she is candid about the lack of prior knowledge she brings to her listening. In an era when anyone can feign expertise using google, this is actually a cool thing to see.
― Treeship, Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
sorry xp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS8oyl1gygs
― Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:45 (nine years ago) link
that's fine for a blog, treezy. but what about the 'column space' that goes to thing-of-the-moment nonprofessional noncritics like her from media outlets looking to get their content on the cheap?
― j., Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
exactly -- that's what blogging is for and blog on, avg ppl
― La Lechera, Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
I for one welcome more non-specialist, regular joe, shoot-from-the-gut opinions being bruited about on the internet, because I have been starved for such opinions both in real life and on the blogosphere, as they have been drowned out by the so-called 'experts.'
― Don't Want To Know If Only You Were Lonely (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 13 July 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
Gotta say, Tree Cool, going on a message board frequented by rock critics in various states of employ and declaring, "I wish more major outlets would replace informed opinions with glorified Amazon reviews by, oh, whatever dumbass they can find" is A+ trolling.
― am0n alb4rn (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 13 July 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link