4 years is a pretty long time, so that kinda helps my point imo.
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
xpost, yeah, if it was like Young Dro or Big Daddy Kane or Shalamar or the Bar-Kays, it would be the same problem
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:18 AM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that reminds me, Nick Sylvester's old blog with lol hilarious fake interviews with rappers was terrible in a pretty similar way
you're a music critic, right? pitched any Sonny Rollins pieces lately?
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
huh?
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
rolling stone puts sex crimes in a flashback listicle but the real problem is jazz satire in the new yorker
― da croupier, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
Sonny Rollins hasn't released new studio material since 2006, fyi. His last three albums are all called "Road Shows." Not sure sure what any publication is supposed to be doing to satisfy the "you don't get to joke about Sonny Rollins unless you're covering his shit on the regular" hurdle, but if you can name a general interest publication anywhere who gives him more coverage than the New Yorker, I'll be pretty surprised.
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
he has a whole journal dedicated to his sax sound fyi
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
rollin's tone
well yeah that kinda makes the humor of the piece even more specious. graying legend pokes his head out of semi-retirement to denounce his life's work, oh the laughters out loud!
i'm not saying the piece is totally indefensible, but i don't really understand the basis upon which you're defending it other than the usual bullshit internet "freedom of speech means you can't say this was lame."
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
would you describe this as a "general interest" magazine
is that really something I would say, some dude? c'mon man. I'm not "defending the piece," I don't give a shit about it, I just think people getting heated about it are being ridiculous and honestly fronting
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
graying legend pokes his head out of semi-retirement to denounce his life's work, oh the laughters out loud!
no accounting for taste
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
i gather that the reactions around the internet to this thing have run to some extremes. i don't really say anybody getting that heated, here, beyond thinking it's fair game for this thread.
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
the error of this piece is that its humor seems mean because most people just don't give a fuck about jazz: fake Rollins is kinda right, most people don't care, no matter how immense his contribution to jazz is. so it's a mean joke: the idea that Sonny Rollins might feel like his craft, which is unassailable, has been a waste; that nobody gives a shit. kind of a mean joke. that notion that this rises somehow to some higher level of offense than "kinda mean" is a little baffling
But this is exactly why it's good satire. It's not meant to be "ha-ha" funny; it's meant to confront the ugly truth of how much American society really values the great artists in their midst. Real satire is rarely funny, and frequently seems cruel, because the reality it's pointing out is itself cruel and ugly and not fucking funny.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link
there's a difference between being a part of a vehement backlash to a piece and being on the periphery saying "well, this backlash was pretty inevitable, what did the writer fucking expect" xp
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:16 (nine years ago) link
rather than cruelly acknowledge their irrelevance to pop culture, jazz greats should be respected from afar silently until the artist dies, at which point a ten-song spotify playlist will be curated if the site has someone who could put that together. failing that, a solitary youtube of their tooting will do.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link
or, y'know, just not make an 80-year-old icon have to get online and tell his fans, many of whom are probably also his age, that he didn't just denounce his whole career, a shitty McSweeney's post just made its way to a major magazine's site
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
that's what i said!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
Genuinely baffled that anybody is angry about this or that anybody couldn't tell it was a joke.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱)
otm
― Harper Valley PTSD (WilliamC), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
a shitty McSweeney's post just made its way to a major magazine's site
as part of a column that any reader over 18 knows is a humor column
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
that's cold, man, you think a 17 year old can't see the word 'humor' in the URL of a site's humor section?
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
our safesearch is set to "make the kid think all humor sites are true." no-one can challenge our asshole parenting style
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link
the "omg i can't believe anyone would be fooled by this!" thing is mainly theoretical since the overwhelming majority of people who even read it did so after the brouhaha and SR's response already happened. but this probably popped up on the RSS reader or whatever of a few jazz fans who were momentarily confused and asked Rollins what was up, let's keep harping on how dumb they must be.
― some dude, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
OK they're dumb. I don't know much about how Rollins talks and thinks and I could tell it wasn't him. You'd think his stans would have an advantage.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
everybody knows Rollins said he thought it was funny right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3LfPYqSZs
and gave a reading roughly in line with 誤訳侮辱's, that it was kind of a cutting piece, and expressed concern that people might have thought it was real
then after he thinks about that for a while he seems to change his mind, but his take seems readable as "taken as humor, fine; if people take it seriously, a drag"
― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
Oh fuck anyone who thought this might be srs, that's just goofy
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link
no one is saying people didn't know it was a humor column, aero, but the fact that "humor" on the internet in 2014 can mean "made up stuff" or "aggregated actual things that are also funny" is where the confusion lies...
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:46 (nine years ago) link
the irony of protecting old people from a humor column started circa the great depression
― da croupier, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
it's about a year older than sonny rollins
― da croupier, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
FAVE OUTRAGE:
http://nicholaspayton.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/on-the-new-yorker-satirizing-sonny/
"It’s about as funny as some White people think it is to let their kids run wild in a restaurant or on an airplane terrorizing the other patrons. It’s about as funny as how those kids grow up to be government officials who terrorize Africans or Palestinians."
― scott seward, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
anchorman-escalated-quickly.gif
― Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
#BAM
— Nicholas Payton aka The Savior of Archaic Pop
― da croupier, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link
Here’s one of the most respected American periodicals posting a picture of a somber-faced Sonny with a piece “in his own words,” rhapsodizing about how he hates music and he’s wasted his life. Where’s the humor in that?
Where indeed?
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, August 6, 2014 5:03 PM (1 hour ago)
overlooked
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link
someone post an example of terrible music writing please.
― 3kDk (dog latin), Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:22 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nothing by me please.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
http://forum.minecraftpvp.com/uploads/default/8609/ed420441ea3f654e.jpg
― ♪♫ teenage wasteman ♪♫ (goole), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link
shame about the errant apostrophe
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 17:35 (nine years ago) link
Rollins Banned.
― Doran, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link
Rollins Suggest Banned.
― Doran, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:26 (nine years ago) link
Rollins rollins rollins I ain't slept in weeks
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
right i read the joke here as 'isn't it absurd to imagine this guy who publicly has taken such joy in this music for decades to have actually been truly miserable all along'
the tone deafness there being that of course, there was a lot of misery along the way
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:20 AM (Yesterday)
i took the joke to be, "well-respected artist is horrifyingly bitter about the complete futility of his life in a retrospective profile piece." we typically expect such things to consist of fondly-remembered peak experiences and reassuring life lessons. NYer piece upends the form, using rollins only as a jumping off point. all you need to know about him to get it is that he's a jazz dude. it'd work just as well with carl sagan or mary lou retton. the best jokes are all simple inversion: "that was the worst day of my life."
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
no such thing as bad publicity imho
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
it'd work just as well with carl sagan or mary lou retton. the best jokes are all simple inversion: "that was the worst day of my life."― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:55 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:55 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
'isn't it absurd to imagine this guy who publicly has taken such joy in science for decades to have actually been truly miserable all along'
'isn't it absurd to imagine this woman who publicly has taken such joy in gymnastics for decades to have actually been truly miserable all along'
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
idk i think imagining it as a joke about the lion in winter profile piece is exceedingly high concept but
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link
I was looking for a DJ rich list and found this. I thought it was a parody at first - the Moby entry is particularly special.
http://www.top10covered.com/top-10-richest-djs-2014-net-worth
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Thursday, 7 August 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
Music has no boundaries and that is certainly true.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 August 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
that moby entry really is a treat
i dunno, that is just some one horse webpage, every entry is written by this guy:
About Author Manishk
Manish Khatri is an acclaimed writer who's good at what he's doing. He writes about various subjects related to relationships, social media, tech reviews, gadgets, health, travel, etc.
― john wahey (NickB), Thursday, 7 August 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
i did enjoy the characterisation of rooney as "this short player from England (who) looks to be very pale" from here though:
http://www.top10covered.com/top-10-best-football-strikers-world
― john wahey (NickB), Thursday, 7 August 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link
that's not even Moby in the picture is it??
― lol on hoosly (crüt), Thursday, 7 August 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link