OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

yeah i dunno...i mean....i guess to me back then there were like Major bands (nirvana, pearl jam, soundgarden, RHCP) and then like tons of alt rock radio bands, but i didn't necessarily see sublime as a bigger deal than marcy playground or garbage or w/e

well, there were definitely 'sublime fans'. like, overlapping with the deadheads/phishheads who were also into alt rock and not just trapped in an alternate universe of tape-trading.

yeah i'm sure but i think for the average they weren't on the same level as nirvana

lower level than the Offspring I think

I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom
I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom
I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom
I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom
I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom
I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom
I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom
I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom
I can even still ride for 40 Oz. to Freedom

the "average music fan" was probably listening to Snoop or Shania Twain or Alanis Morissette in 1996 anyway

Sublime at the time felt to me like they had the same level of popularity as, say, Squirrel Nut Zippers, and I thought they'd vanish once the musical trend died down, and then I turned around and it had been like 10 years of randomly seeing Sublime t-shirts out in the wild and I was all "wait what the fuck happened here"

"Chica Me Tipo"

No me importa que se lleva (It doesn't matter what you're wearing)
Porque todo se quitara (Because it will all come off)
Ay no puedo verlo (I can't see you)
Ni en pintura (Not even in paint)

(Chorus)

Cuando empecemos, no me dio cuenta (When we started, I didn't realize)
De que luego, tuviera que pagar (That later I would have to pay)
Pero, se dice tambien (but, it is also said)
Me muera acostarme con ti (I'm dying to lay down with you)
Con ti (with you)

No me propongo predicar (I don't propose to preach)
Vive y dejar vivir (Live and let live)
Pero el amigo (But a friend)
Es un condon en el bolsillo (Is a condom in your pocket)

Yo no soy medico, no soy chapocero (I'm not a doctor, I'm not a joker)
Solamente soy pobre, y ya estoy tan solo (I'm just poor, and now I'm so lonely)
Pero si se cambie (But if she changes)
Ella seria la mia (She will be mine)
Para ser poseido en propeidad (To be possesed as property)
en propeidad (As property)

I've got to get alive with you
Whoa I cannot do?
I will lay down anytime with her
with her.

brad nowell is a kurt cobainesque tragic genius to a lot of people so i don't think the comparison is that ridiculous. i think the article is right about the politics of taste that cause people to make a point of hating sublime and their shallow, garbage music.

"40 Oz To Freedom"

You've got your hair permed
You've got your red dress on
Screamin' that second gear was such a turn on
And the fog forming on my window tells me that the morning here
And you'll be gone before too long

Who taught you those new tricks?
Damn I shouldn't start that talk,
but life is one big question when your starin at the clock
And the answers always waiting at the liquor store, 40 oz to Freedom,
so I'll take that walk.

And I know that ohhhh...I'm not comin back
Ohh not going back
God knows not going back

You look so fine when you lie it just don't show,
That I know which way the wind blows
40 oz to freedom is the only chance I have to feel good,
even though I feel bad

And I know that ohhhh...I'm not comin back
Ohh not going back
God knows I'm not going back
God knows I'm not going back

the "average music fan" was probably listening to Snoop or Shania Twain or Alanis Morissette in 1996 anyway

― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, August 8, 2014 10:18 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean average the type of kids that would care about nirvana and sublime...also it's not like nirvana wasn't selling mainstream numbers

40z to freedom is the sublime album that people who were once a fan but are now slightly embarrassed about it will still say is "pretty good". it is not.

40 Oz to Freedom, conceptually, really was like smart that it came from a product of hip-hop fandom and college DJ culture (which Nowell was I think?)

Like doing Grateful Dead songs over the "Funky Drummer break," scratching a Minutemen album, doing a folk song about KRS-One, singing Bob Marley lyrics over a Just-Ice song — it all spoke to the post-Beasties smash-up culture they were trying to promote and attempt and see through the lens of smoked out cali loving surfer bros/dalmation enthusiasts

. Of course there's no shortage of awkardness ("DATE RAPE STYLEE") but I can get behind the message conceptually, plus they had good taste

the way a crowd reacts when "Santeria" comes on in a crowded bar in 2014 vs how they react when "smells like teen spirit" comes on is p different ime

brad nowell is a kurt cobainesque tragic genius to a lot of people so i don't think the comparison is that ridiculous.

I'mma stop you right here and opine that once you've gotten to "brad nowell is a kurt cobainesque tragic genius to a lot of people", you have jetted past "ridiculous" and are firmly into "full-on insane and laughable" territory.

"a lot of people" does not equal "me"

(note that I'm not saying that you're wrong or that what you're saying isn't true; just that fact is really fucking ridiculous)

i'd put sublime and nirvana on roughly equal footing, maybe a slight edge to sublime for having catchier songs

anyway sublime were HUUUUUUUGE when i was teenager. i lived in an almost entirely white suburb in the midwest and almost everybody loved them. kids who liked nirvana definitely liked sublime. the alt music fan in my town liked nirvana, sublime, rage against the machine, grateful dead, metallica, snoop, and bob marley pretty much equally.

The way a crowd reacts when you put on this has a reaction too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdEvL6jxUYA

but you don't see any thinkpieces about it

not yet we don't.

lets definitely turn this into a thread where white people with comfortable upbringings talk about what other white people with comfortable upbringings were into in the Nineties, considering they're all beginning to run the world now and have no self-awareness about it

RIP Lou Dog

i'm not white whiney, i'm hispanic

"white people"

how about instead we turn this thread into a discussion of Invisible Man, how does that suit you?

oops, sorry marcos!

whiney doesn't see color, just tumblr wites

WON'T SOMEBODY GET ME OFF OF THIS REEF

Like doing Grateful Dead songs over the "Funky Drummer break," scratching a Minutemen album, doing a folk song about KRS-One, singing Bob Marley lyrics over a Just-Ice song — it all spoke to the post-Beasties smash-up culture they were trying to promote and attempt and see through the lens of smoked out cali loving surfer bros/dalmation enthusiasts

this makes 40oz sound really cool fwiw

just let that imaginary version live, don't listen to it

http://i.imgur.com/4VMVDHO.gif

i think the mash-up aesthetic, in the internet era, is kind of played and combining/curating disparate sounds in itself doesn't sound refreshing in 2014. that might be why i didn't notice all the stuff whine mentioend and just remember 40oz as this ska-rap album that has a song about date rape

i dunno, it was a few years past faith no more and a bunch of shit that was already doing that general thing of combining the threads of so-cal stoner/skater/punk/whatever culture

Can we get back to where we're all white here. Signed, One of Us White Guys That Are White.

Right, but Sublime took it the extra step and used actual source material like a hip-hop DJ would.

That awkward moment when you jam to a date rape song

lets definitely turn this into a thread where white people with comfortable upbringings talk about what other white people with comfortable upbringings were into in the Nineties, considering they're all beginning to run the world now and have no self-awareness about it

― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, August 8, 2014 3:28 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

RIP Lou Dog

― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, August 8, 2014 3:29 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm not white whiney, i'm hispanic

― marcos, Friday, August 8, 2014 3:29 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"white people"

― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, August 8, 2014 3:30 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dying

maybe the white manager with no self-awareness is...you

lot of whites moaning in here tonight

v telling that Lou Dog is black and white, makes you think

someday i'm going to bounce onto a thread bemoaning how it's nothing but white "ironic" fans of limp bizkit who've dabbled in rockcrit and now waste time in the office debating with other pedants about nerd trivia

oh wait no i'm not

good to know

i sincerely hope you do

http://www.sexyli.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dalmatian-dog-glasses-paws-nose-animals.jpg

ayyy lmao

Can I nominate this Jed Perl piece on the arts? This seems not even wrong.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118958/liberals-are-killing-art-insisting-its-always-political

he took so long to get to an example of one of these art-denying liberals that i was shocked to see it was alex ross discussing classical music and not someone shitting on macklemore

apparently liberals err on the side of acknowledging toxic politics circling art...does he think conservatives get the "appreciating beauty vs reason" scale right or do they err on the side of ignoring toxic politics, with him as goldilocks?

my sublime story: as a white southern dude of a certain age, I never heard sublime in the 90's except for the megahits and they were brief background blips... i seem to remember thinking "what I got" was some kind of rip-off of beck's "where it's at" of all things. i don't think this so-cal stuff got much exposure in tennessee. luckily, cause my dad was a music nerd and a stoner, i WAS raised on a steady diet of marley, desmond dekker and prince buster, toots, jimmy cliff, hugh mundell, dillinger, ken boothe and so on tho'.
i was working pr for (ahem) a cover group this past year and finally got around to listening to the album a time or two for the first time and it's my considered opinion that it is pretty horrible.
that's all.