the "average music fan" was probably listening to Snoop or Shania Twain or Alanis Morissette in 1996 anyway
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, August 8, 2014 10:18 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean average the type of kids that would care about nirvana and sublime...also it's not like nirvana wasn't selling mainstream numbers
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
40z to freedom is the sublime album that people who were once a fan but are now slightly embarrassed about it will still say is "pretty good". it is not.
― marcos, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
40 Oz to Freedom, conceptually, really was like smart that it came from a product of hip-hop fandom and college DJ culture (which Nowell was I think?)
Like doing Grateful Dead songs over the "Funky Drummer break," scratching a Minutemen album, doing a folk song about KRS-One, singing Bob Marley lyrics over a Just-Ice song — it all spoke to the post-Beasties smash-up culture they were trying to promote and attempt and see through the lens of smoked out cali loving surfer bros/dalmation enthusiasts
. Of course there's no shortage of awkardness ("DATE RAPE STYLEE") but I can get behind the message conceptually, plus they had good taste
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
the way a crowd reacts when "Santeria" comes on in a crowded bar in 2014 vs how they react when "smells like teen spirit" comes on is p different ime
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
brad nowell is a kurt cobainesque tragic genius to a lot of people so i don't think the comparison is that ridiculous.
I'mma stop you right here and opine that once you've gotten to "brad nowell is a kurt cobainesque tragic genius to a lot of people", you have jetted past "ridiculous" and are firmly into "full-on insane and laughable" territory.
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
"a lot of people" does not equal "me"
― Treeship, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link
(note that I'm not saying that you're wrong or that what you're saying isn't true; just that fact is really fucking ridiculous)
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link
i'd put sublime and nirvana on roughly equal footing, maybe a slight edge to sublime for having catchier songs
― panda fiend (sleepingbag), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
anyway sublime were HUUUUUUUGE when i was teenager. i lived in an almost entirely white suburb in the midwest and almost everybody loved them. kids who liked nirvana definitely liked sublime. the alt music fan in my town liked nirvana, sublime, rage against the machine, grateful dead, metallica, snoop, and bob marley pretty much equally.
― marcos, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
The way a crowd reacts when you put on this has a reaction too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdEvL6jxUYA
but you don't see any thinkpieces about it
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
not yet we don't.
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link
lets definitely turn this into a thread where white people with comfortable upbringings talk about what other white people with comfortable upbringings were into in the Nineties, considering they're all beginning to run the world now and have no self-awareness about it
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link
RIP Lou Dog
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
i'm not white whiney, i'm hispanic
― marcos, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
"white people"
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
how about instead we turn this thread into a discussion of Invisible Man, how does that suit you?
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
oops, sorry marcos!
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link
whiney doesn't see color, just tumblr wites
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
WON'T SOMEBODY GET ME OFF OF THIS REEF
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
this makes 40oz sound really cool fwiw
― Treeship, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link
just let that imaginary version live, don't listen to it
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/4VMVDHO.gif
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link
i think the mash-up aesthetic, in the internet era, is kind of played and combining/curating disparate sounds in itself doesn't sound refreshing in 2014. that might be why i didn't notice all the stuff whine mentioend and just remember 40oz as this ska-rap album that has a song about date rape
― Treeship, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
i dunno, it was a few years past faith no more and a bunch of shit that was already doing that general thing of combining the threads of so-cal stoner/skater/punk/whatever culture
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
Can we get back to where we're all white here. Signed, One of Us White Guys That Are White.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link
Right, but Sublime took it the extra step and used actual source material like a hip-hop DJ would.
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
That awkward moment when you jam to a date rape song
― pictures of people who seem to have figured out how to use dropbox (wins), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, August 8, 2014 3:28 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, August 8, 2014 3:29 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― marcos, Friday, August 8, 2014 3:29 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, August 8, 2014 3:30 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dying
― da croupier, Friday, 8 August 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link
maybe the white manager with no self-awareness is...you
― da croupier, Friday, 8 August 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link
lot of whites moaning in here tonight
― The aim of Rooney is spot correct (Daphnis Celesta), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:05 (ten years ago) link
v telling that Lou Dog is black and white, makes you think
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link
someday i'm going to bounce onto a thread bemoaning how it's nothing but white "ironic" fans of limp bizkit who've dabbled in rockcrit and now waste time in the office debating with other pedants about nerd trivia
oh wait no i'm not
― da croupier, Friday, 8 August 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
good to know
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link
i sincerely hope you do
― da croupier, Friday, 8 August 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
http://www.sexyli.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dalmatian-dog-glasses-paws-nose-animals.jpg
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
ayyy lmao
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
Can I nominate this Jed Perl piece on the arts? This seems not even wrong.http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118958/liberals-are-killing-art-insisting-its-always-political
― campreverb, Friday, 8 August 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
he took so long to get to an example of one of these art-denying liberals that i was shocked to see it was alex ross discussing classical music and not someone shitting on macklemore
― da croupier, Friday, 8 August 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
apparently liberals err on the side of acknowledging toxic politics circling art...does he think conservatives get the "appreciating beauty vs reason" scale right or do they err on the side of ignoring toxic politics, with him as goldilocks?
― da croupier, Friday, 8 August 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
my sublime story: as a white southern dude of a certain age, I never heard sublime in the 90's except for the megahits and they were brief background blips... i seem to remember thinking "what I got" was some kind of rip-off of beck's "where it's at" of all things. i don't think this so-cal stuff got much exposure in tennessee. luckily, cause my dad was a music nerd and a stoner, i WAS raised on a steady diet of marley, desmond dekker and prince buster, toots, jimmy cliff, hugh mundell, dillinger, ken boothe and so on tho'.i was working pr for (ahem) a cover group this past year and finally got around to listening to the album a time or two for the first time and it's my considered opinion that it is pretty horrible.that's all.
― go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
man I was wondering how long this was going to go on before Whiney went all "uggh white people"
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
i bet
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 August 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
― dilligaf escape plan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, August 8, 2014 10:23 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
...
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, August 8, 2014 10:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is... interesting, but if FNM and sublime are the best examples of this culture then you all deserved worse than you got
― ♪♫ teenage wasteman ♪♫ (goole), Friday, 8 August 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
sonny bono and bob dornan win elections and your music is just comically horrible, maybe get your shit together "socal"
― ♪♫ teenage wasteman ♪♫ (goole), Friday, 8 August 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
music from socal to this day is generally not really good imo, the local music scene in l.a. is in partic boring.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 8 August 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
of course i listened to that sublime s/t a TON in college and it was everywhere for awhile. but not in the way nirvana was, at least where i was at. they feel like the new social distortion in terms of nostalgia tripping, albeit with a slightly different listening audience. only slightly, though, there's a lot of overlap.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 8 August 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
HIP-HOP SOUND COLLAGE PIONEERS SUBLIME
― scott seward, Friday, 8 August 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
everything sounds stupid if you put it in all caps
― Treeship, Friday, 8 August 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
The first time I ever encountered the whole "Bradley Nowell is a genius struck down in his prime" was when I stopped by a Best Buy early in the morning in 2006 and was waiting in line with like 10 dudes buying the three-disc(!) Sublime rarities box set, all of them speaking in reverent tones about how much they missed him.
― Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 August 2014 18:18 (ten years ago) link
xp
hip-hop sound collage pioneers sublime
does that sound better
― marcos, Friday, 8 August 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link