HoleQueenBlack SabbathThe WhoThe Rolling Stones
and that's all.
― faghetti (fgti), Monday, 8 September 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link
"yeah, Radiohead are sort of the highbrow listener's rock band of choice"
the definition of the word "highbrow" has changed over the years...
― scott seward, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:37 (nine years ago) link
It's totally relative. Depends entirely on the "listeners" demographic you're talking about.
― Evan, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/kingkonggodzilla/0469d218-6c41-476a-b9e0-0d8e7bc47e41_zpsa01e34c0.jpg
― how's life, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
i just think of teens and college kids when i think of radiohead listeners. but, yeah, they can be highbrow too, i guess.
― scott seward, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
more high than brow
― Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
― scott seward, Monday, September 8, 2014 1:06 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Than yeah, if you compiled all of the music teens and college kids listen to I'd bet Radiohead is relatively on the highbrow end of that particular spectrum, proportionately.
― Evan, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
teens 20 years ago can be middle aged high brow now
― strychnine, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:17 (nine years ago) link
A tenure-track music theorist I know, a rising star in the field, is currently working on a book on Radiohead. His article "Kid Algebra: Radiohead's Euclidean and Maximally Even Rhythms" is forthcoming in Perspectives in New Music.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
He talks in maths.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
can we spend some time on this thread talking about how Chester Bennington is now singing with Stone Temple Pilots or is that too much of a digression
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:58 (nine years ago) link
thread's got nothing else going on tbf
― Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
Radiohead seem to crop up in 'classical music is not just for squares' type pieces in broadsheets where people make the case for contemporary classical music, I don't know to what extent they are rock music that contemporary classical stans like or if they want some of Radiohead's rock 'n' roll glamour to rub off on them (Radiohead possessing rock 'n' roll glamour seems odd idea, but I get the impression people writing these articles think they do?)
― a puddle of quivering 501s (soref), Monday, 8 September 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
i actually sold radiohead CDs to an old classical guy! he bought ligeti and some other classical and radiohead. maybe they heard that steve reich was a fan.
― scott seward, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
too bad steve reich's radiohead tribute is so limp
― rushomancy, Monday, 8 September 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
maybe it isn't a tribute
― Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 8 September 2014 21:15 (nine years ago) link
That'll be the radiohead xp
― smithery loves cuntery (wins), Monday, 8 September 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link
FORM A QUEUE PLEASE
― Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 8 September 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link
the only people i know that turn their noses up at rock are classical ppl. i think they make exceptions for more NPR-ish stuff and karaoke "guilty pleasures."
― Rihannamator (get bent), Monday, 8 September 2014 21:19 (nine years ago) link
they pooh-pooh all the "hipster" music i'm into but they get super jazzed up for disney soundtracks.
― Rihannamator (get bent), Monday, 8 September 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
glad to learn the term "maximally even rhythms" to describe a thing i have been thinking about
― example (crüt), Monday, 8 September 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link
it's weird -- i know music fans that are into really out-there experimental stuff, and even they ride hard for zz top and early van halen. the jazz guys like rock, the folk guys like rock (newport was a long time ago). it's only the classical people that are all "eww" about it -- unless it's some new amsterdam crossover act that the new york times approves of, and those acts are never guitar-centric.
― Rihannamator (get bent), Monday, 8 September 2014 21:55 (nine years ago) link
so everyone is by default a rock fan..? reminds me of that old Momus blog post about how literally everyone in America wears jeans
― sleepingbag, Monday, 8 September 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
(Guy I mentioned is a total rock fan, to be clear.)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 8 September 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
(But appreciates Radiohead in a highbrow sort of way or something?)
"by default" is where critics of rockism come in -- combatting the idea that rock is the default setting and everything else orbits around it (mixed metaphor, sorry). there is no default.
― Rihannamator (get bent), Monday, 8 September 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
I've known a couple of classical guys who came close to fitting get bent's description. They both liked the Beatles. One also liked Queen and Radiohead. The other disliked most other rock but liked AC divas like Celine Dion.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 8 September 2014 22:07 (nine years ago) link
whenever people call me about selling their records and they say they have lots of classical i'm always happy to have them bring stuff in. they often have good prog, weird avant/electronic, and cool world music records mixed in. (especially if they were buying in the late 60's and 70's. boomer classical fans had the biggest ears. 50's and early 60's classical fans were pretty trad in my experience.)
― scott seward, Monday, 8 September 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
(boomers in general though have become the most trad music fans since the fans of the four lads and the ames brothers...in other words, their parents...)
― scott seward, Monday, 8 September 2014 23:08 (nine years ago) link
There are also people heavy into ambient and ethereal and maybe some soundtracks, but no rock. Clearly the most fruitful genre is electronic - people who won't listen to anything with guitars or drums ( unless they are "ethnic" drums). Ethereal fans I don't get - it's a genre that surely has rock influences.
― Opus Gai (I M Losted), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:15 (nine years ago) link
I've always suspected hardcore ambient/ethereal fans suffer from some sort of nervous disorders
― Darin, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:18 (nine years ago) link
my experience with ethereal/ambient is that that sort of music was very popular among the fisting community in the '90s.
― rushomancy, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:37 (nine years ago) link
:D lock thread
― imago, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:41 (nine years ago) link
Ethereal fistings, truly a genre unto itself
― odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 01:08 (nine years ago) link
i own this record. it's my token gay lashing record:
http://hansonrecords.bigcartel.com/product/whipsmen-the-sounds-of-discipline-lp-zorro
― scott seward, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 01:14 (nine years ago) link
everyone should at least own alternate-timeline universe dicaprio record...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1610798_10153317432587137_2985780421934300814_n.jpg?oh=7bfbe79c99977a75ef08fab14b51d82a&oe=54A60F77&__gda__=1418806600_2c7279c4b5eedec8a6a1152c3cc71205
― scott seward, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link
i can't stop staring at that cover...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
it's weird -- i know music fans that are into really out-there experimental stuff, and even they ride hard for zz top and early van halen. the jazz guys like rock, the folk guys like rock (newport was a long time ago). it's only the classical people that are all "eww" about it -- unless it's some new amsterdam crossover act that the new york times approves of, and those acts are never guitar-centric
I come from and electronic and dance music background (though nowadays I listen to all sort of stuff, including classical music, but I wouldn't call myself a "classical person" in any way), and I've never really liked rock. I'm sure there many others about the same age as me or younger who are like this: we grew up with electronic music, and rock never felt that relevant to us, it was the music of earlier generations, not of ours. Kinda like swing and bebop were to the boomer generation.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 08:55 (nine years ago) link
Me suggesting that this thread happen was prompted by reading Simon Reynolds' Wire piece on Radiohead circa 2001, where he suggested that in the late 90s lots of UK dance fans started using certain rock albums as "comedown" albums - OK Computer, Ladies and gentlemen we are floating in space, etc.
Assuming that this is true, I'm interested in the idea that certain "rock" albums work well with listening modes that are not centered on rock music. It's the inverse of tendency for non-rock music with rock friendly values or signifiers to be embraced by rock-centric listeners.
Certainly there seems to be a certain consensus about good rock music amongst the goon crew, though I'd struggle to explain its underlying basis.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 09:31 (nine years ago) link
Beardo and balearic revivalism obv gave rise to several instances of music that was superficially rock but was really designed for dance audiences.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 09:53 (nine years ago) link
Or that might be going too far: post-dance audiences who also like rock
― Tim F, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 09:54 (nine years ago) link
plenty of people on ILM don't listen to rock music. i see what Tim's saying though, although if the thread title had been more specifically about rock albums that dance fans like, or as you say, the opposite of the token dance album rock fans like, I'd also be interested in that. Is there a hypothetical genre here? I've never heard their music but Doves always struck me as a possible example of this, considering their earlier incarnation as Sub Sub.
― monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 09:59 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I was thinking about the comedown rock album thing - there were a rash of quieter, gentler albums that gained a lot of traction in publications like Mixmag around 2000. Lambchop's Nixon, Kings of Convenience, etc. In fact Erland Oye has basically made a career out of walking this line.
Goon-friendly rock seems to mostly be emoish punk pop (My Chemical Romance/Green Day/Fall Out Boy), some metal, and the kind of brawny modern rock bands that veer closer to classic rock (the Gaslight Anthem etc). Although I can't imagine the Gaslight Anthem possibly appealing to anyone who doesn't identify as liking rock music in some way.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 10:33 (nine years ago) link
My experience of African radio stations is that they play no rock music at all except Coldplay, U2 and and Oasis.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 10:39 (nine years ago) link
has a rock band ever actively tried to do this? We've had failed attempts like the Klaxxon's nu-rave thing I suppose. But is there a rock equivalent of, say, U.F.Orb? I'd genuinely love to hear a rock band's take on post-club chill out music.
― monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 11:03 (nine years ago) link
Hole is interesting as a bona fide rock act whose second and third albums definitely work as confessional teen pop avant la lettre
― Tim F, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 11:36 (nine years ago) link
Have to say, I know very few 'rock fans' who listened to Hole beyond the first album.
― monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 11:41 (nine years ago) link
what I mean is, the only time I really remember hearing much Hole discussion lately is through the ILM pop/dance crew.
― monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 11:43 (nine years ago) link
I have to say, I know loads of rock fans who listened to a lot more than the first Hole album. But, like, lots of them were gurls.
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 11:44 (nine years ago) link
Just thought - Queens of the Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf strikes me as a key example of a rock album adored by non-rock fans.
― monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 11:47 (nine years ago) link