Rock Albums People Who Don't Love Rock Like

"Violet" was on the 2nd album, the one that came out right after KC's death. The first album was the one Kim Gordon produced.

There were three modern rock hits, including a #1 and #3, on Celebrity Skin.

(http://www.billboard.com/artist/303552/hole/chart?f=377)

LOL you guys always focus on the most boring issues. Question is not "is it rock or not" but whether/how it's heard diferently by different audiences.

Is a goon who listens to Fall Out Boy hearing something different to the ordinary Fall Out Boy fan? And, if not, does the reverse also hold: that any ordinary Fall Out Boy fan would probably make a decent goon?

wtf is a goon in this context?

Rap fan who posts in the rolling rap threads.

is Fall Out Boy really a goon consensus band, or is it Whiney's cheerleading?

Shit! Forgot Live Through This wasn't a debut. Sorry for confusion

Of course, there are always people who are convinced that "rock" doesn't necessarily come from the blues. Yes, those pains in the ass who think "classical" affectations redeem a rock work.

Other people are put off by something they feel is too "macho".

What about post-grunge and NU-mentalists from the late 1990's? Are they "not rock" because they pander to an anti-50's / 60's / blues mentality?

Off topic, perhaps, but what are the true roots of EDM, since many EDM fans shun guitars and drums? Does it annoy anyone besides me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xUwDARVb4#t=35

i would say i have a certain style of rock im into but it's kind of soulstrut-ish, kind of dahnce-ish, but prioritizing songcraft and originality more than the latter, while de-emphasizing the canonical focus / received wisdom of the former

latin pop music

So albums by Chayanne, Ricky Martin, David Bisbal, Marc Anthony, Alejandro Sanz.... if you see any of those in someone's collection, I'm positive you wont see any rock albums (safe for a couple of token ones, if any).

Refer to this thread for Token rock albums. Pick any. Token rock album

Lol sorry I misread the title as "Albums people who don't love rock like"

For the real question in this thread I would say the real answer would be the best selling ones:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums

Creedence is missing in there, though, I guess it's because they don't have a real iconic album (Cosmo's Factory?) and most people opt for their compilations but it seems to me like almost every house I visit has a CCR album.

That's not the real question in this thread.

Though I find the default assumption that non-rock fans necessarily = 12 CD people amusing.

i definitely don't find myself in either dahnce or soulstrut camps ... in some ways, i'd say, i'm actually closer to the traditional unexamined rockist just in terms of taste, although for different reasons. I'm also more interested in a lot of stuff that has been forgotten, but not to the extent of creating an alternative canon (like soulstrut type dudes) as much as discovering a personal one; treating it as a journey or experience, a kind of 'the records find me' sort of thing. Which I think has an element of dahnce crate digging to it more than record collector crate digging (obv there's overlap but).

But I think dahnce folks often value texture and superficial elements of style ... nothing wrong with that per se, but I probably put songcraft on more of a pedestal, personally, than the kind of stylistic costume changes I detect as being at the core of dahnce-appreciated rock music. (I also tend to not be all that interested in retro albums in this vein, give or take a single or two)

I think i get your point but I'm not sure. Do you mean, like, the belearic/beardo veneration of dennis wilson despite him not being a terribly great songwriter?

"superficial elements of style" - presumably this + texture = "vibe"?

That's not the real question in this thread.

― Tim F

The opening post seems to ask what are the token rock albums (and we have that thread already)?

I think i get your point but I'm not sure. Do you mean, like, the belearic/beardo veneration of dennis wilson despite him not being a terribly great songwriter?

― Tim F, Monday, November 10, 2014 3:02 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's a hard one to explain bc i kind of think he is a good songwriter lol although maybe not traditionally so

texture & vibe is a better way of putting it? i mean ... i never really 'got' map of africa, is another way

def radiohead. realised this when hip hop connection had ok computer in their top 20 albums of whatever year it came out and people who mostly listened to black music or dance music i know were checking it out ('its soulful' etc). but def since then, its weird how people i know who dont 'do' rock like thom yorke. radiohead kind of represent a cool alternative, sophistication, adventurous taste, for people who arent reading the wire. theyre like a benchmark of progressive, cerebral music. also a way to show you listen to other types of music. i suppose their interest in sonics and production helps a lot too. 'its not just noisy guitars!' (never heard anyone say this, but im guessing they might think it).

Moka the point of this thread is "what are rock albums embraced by people who don't identify as fans of rock (but as fans of other types of music) and why" - lots of people maybe struggle with this basic concept because, idk, ilx people are dumb sometimes, but it is what it is.

texture & vibe is a better way of putting it? i mean ... i never really 'got' map of africa, is another way

― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, November 10, 2014 11:19 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah okay cool but this rubs 'n' tugs against another divide which is album listening vs dj set listening. Thinking "heeeeeey this heavy Equals cover is kinda cool b/c context" is one thing, but idk anyone other than beardo obsessives who bothered listening to the whole map of africa album. Texture / vibe / superficial style is enough to coast on for four minutes in a DJ set but I think across an entire artist-album rock fans and dance fans are both looking for some sort of deeper engagement however it's wrought.

I'm not sure Harvey should have been trying to make actual rock music as an extended ~project~, I haven't really been able to make it through the Wildest Dreams albums for e.g.

Vampire Weekend

the 1975, Paramore

lol this thread isn't "name bands that ilxors other than me like." There are no non-rock fans on iLX who like either of those bands to my knowledge and probably very few relatively speaking outside of ILX either.

I hate macho rock music so maybe predictably my favourite male rock bands are The Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart, The Stooges, Royal Trux, US Maple, The Strokes and the occasional song by The Who

xpost sorry, i tried to parse that sentence 3 times and i'm still a bit confused tbh.

What is macho rock? Like G'n'R?

like, on what evidence do you say non-rock fans like vampire weekend, paramore or 1975 other than that they're big ilx bands who are quite popular.

well paramore is huge on pop radio lately! and the 1975 at least have a bunch of famous ppl (esp twifty) tweeting their love so i imagine

if you like the Stooges you basically like the Stones

xp well obv yeah but in general I am allergic to any sort of rock-music-made-by-men extending from aggressively destructive (GnR, Genesis, Mott The Hoople, Styx, Nazareth, Zeppelin, Floyd, Faith No More, RHCP) to the passively complicit (The Beatles, Meat Loaf, Neil Young, most Sonic Youth).

The aforementioned bands get a pass because for whatever reason the sound of men-punching-walls and/or men-living-in-fear appeals to me; other square bands that get a pass round here are Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy and Motorhead. For whatever fucking reason yes I love the Stones. This allergy does carry over to punk, post-punk, new wave, krautrock, HC and post-HC, and whatever Jesus Lizard are.

*does not carry over, that is.

as a non-rock fan i think thin lizzy is the greatest band in the world

just kidding i'm probably a rock fan

i also fucking love genesis but i don't think anything they've done codes precisely as "rock" to me

There are of course ~tonnes~ of non-square rock bands I love: Sparks, Hole, Queen, Heart, Electrelane, Sleater-Kinney, etc. And prog too, Magma are my favourite band, if that's rock then I'm a rock fan.

xp: or "aggressive" for that matter.

uhhhhhhh keep it dark

I teach a lot of kids who barely have any reference points beyond hip-hop, but DSOTM comes up as the great exception.

I am allergic to any sort of rock-music-made-by-men extending from aggressively destructive (GnR, Genesis, Mott The Hoople, Styx, Nazareth, Zeppelin, Floyd, Faith No More, RHCP) to the passively complicit (The Beatles, Meat Loaf, Neil Young, most Sonic Youth).

somewhat baffled by what 'aggressively destructive' and 'passively complicit' mean in this context.

"somewhat":P

(Thought you liked Yes and Rush, fgti?)

Oh, you made a sort-of-exception for prog.

Oh c'mon, you know, music that sounds like oppression and money making and raping women and spitting on poor people and kicking immigrants and running gays over in your car

that's basically an anal cunt tracklist! clink