It's a cruel cruel summer: the sounds of deep tech / shuffle / cuttin shapes / upgrunt house / etc. etc. in 2014

@rizla teef Yeah, basically I don't hear any of this stuff at the kind of clubs and events I go to in Holland or Germany.

@rtc im trying to 'look bad' on the internet but ur the one name calling? well played

mind ur step and okay are both bait city just different season and anyone with even the most basic interest with popular house would know this

@rizla teef ...well, there's clearly different worlds in dance music, even in terms of what's popular for house (huge, huge category). Things might overlap in some instances as Tim points out, but there's definite partitions and blockages elsewhere. One world's bait city basically doesn't mean shit elsewhere. Which was my point in the first place about a track like that crossing over, etc.

Anyway, it's not really an important point.

@mikomcha i can appreciate that

living in london im definitely over exposed to house whether it be the cuff, hot creations, crosstown stuff or the "deep tech" style

the easiest way to understand how this stuff is "new" is by looking at how uk garage grew out of the new york/jersey sound in the early 90s okay tune cro

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just seen ur new post so i'll only ask where exactly is that okay tune crossing over to make it comparable to 128 trek or even say benga/coki night in terms of multi genre appeal

its a big tune but i feel definitely being over complicated/analysed, it's not that deep

Thought was interesting, for instance, that Hannah Wants was dropping Ten Walls in her sets. But I can't imagine those kinds of DJs here playing something like OKAY, even though a lot of newish non-vocal deep tech would bang in their sets imo - tunes that are way more tracky and vibey than what I've been hearing out at festivals in these parts. There's really no reason they shouldn't. Willing to admit I could be wrong here tho, I'd also be surprised if they weren't following some of it.

Another example - here's this crew Colors in Amsterdam that play some 'UK bass' stuff, but it's all a bit tastefully compiled across established acts, so it often doesn't really scratch the surface of what's going on in terms of new London music (mainly focussed on Night Slugs, Numbers, Ben UFO, Pearson Sound, that sort of thing).

Maybe I need to make more of an effort to explore what's happening though. I do keep to a fairly routine club circuit.

okay is not deep tech though bro i think this is where the confusion is stemming from

it's a popular house track thats been released by a very of the moment house label

hannahs sound isnt as focused as it was say when jackin was doing bits so it should be no surprise that she's playing ten walls, house is that sound atm and ten walls is a major beneficiary of the current wave

Oh, right - now that would definitely explain it! :)

Hmmm, I blame that Benny B mix above for crossing my wires! I think I've also associated the tune with Mark Radford in my mind for some reason, which is probably a bit weird. At least from a distance though, there does seem to be a bit of a bleed between London deep tech proper and other strains of bass-heavy house. Maybe this gets back to lex's question.

like i said the easiest way to understand this music, it's developments, trajectory and "newness" is by paralleling it with how UKG grew out of american house and garage

id explain more but my right hands in a cast so its kind of long right now lol

are you trilliam by any chance?

what gave it away ;)

'okay' (and ten walls if we're mentioning it) may not be deep tech per se but nor in my view is the scene (whilst still being very distinct as a whole) so formally codified and encapsulated now that those tunes are irrelevant and not part of the conversation to some extent. like yeah they're big popular tunes but there's elective affinities at play too - 'elephants' is a viable set moodpiece, 'okay' has that chunky clipped bass bubble that miko is quite right to associate with radford's sometimes broader interpretation in his shows

the idea of establishing a "true" deep tech (i still like calling it shuffle tbh btw fuiud) rubric & canon is an interesting one - like for instance 'okay' might not be but shiba's remix of mk 'always' in my opinion indisputably is - and to do so (and finally be of use to lames who can't ever be bovd to click on a mix or two) would most likely require a chronological recap of some sort

so let's do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2011 - funky peters out, hot creations crosstown rebels etc help to normalise an urban club relationship with house (police have nothing to lock off etc), jamie jones mix of azarii catches ears, audiowhore and house ents events establish themselves. mark radford and others of a techy persuasion continue to play alex niggeman martin landsky minimal type stuff, begin to gain a small foothold

2012 - while the above two strands continue alongside each other, "deep" house n bass catches on and spreads out (interzone), dusky shadow child moda etc widely popular stuff. but london develops a particular fascination of its own (arguably seceding from the garage side) with tunes such as the randomly-selected following

Kolombo and Ante Perry - Completely Positive (Walker & Royce Remix)
Alex Arnout - One (More)
Telepopmusik - Try Me Anyway (Dirty Channels Remix)
Baunz - The Same Thing (Huxley Dub) [pay attention to the switch at 3:30 as a before/after instructive audio document ]

fun club shuffling cutting shapes dance scene coalesces around this new icy fauxstere centripetal boogie. newcomers plus guys who used to make grime and bassline and funky and dubstep etc get involved and start to make their own bits to match, labels spring up and formalise, fashion becomes style etc

2013 to date - scene grows, all of the above continues intertwined but with its own selective localised focus now, an additional grimier/jungle menace minimal strand inevitably develops (Carnao Beats - Just Say Nothing), nuum mixer churns anew. "g-house" from europe begins to have an additional effect (as it does everywhere), hard straight down the line bangers with rap adding to the vox sample matrix

basically how i personally break it down to an extent, ur all cordially invited to educate me otherwise

what is g house

jon carter of mars

https://soundcloud.com/amineedge/amine-edge-dance-halfway
https://soundcloud.com/thisiscuff/cuff009-ennio-go-insane
https://soundcloud.com/gcattin/kant-ey-yo
https://soundcloud.com/marlonhoffstadt/dansson-marlon-hoffstadt-shake
https://soundcloud.com/whartone/sonny-wharton-dazed-confused

this kinda stuff i suppose. some of it is very fun. i wish i had kept a list

the sound and its relationship with deep tech are more actually more interrelated than i'm letting on (ldn to paris connection as mentioned above, carnao and amine edge making friends and influencing ppl) but i) who cares it's called g-house and it's french and ii) it's imo worth making the hardline distinction as it continues to encroach on the original london stuff

oh i like that stuff

Yo Ilxers, let me share with you my latest mix, basically a showcase of my deep tech favourites, including some of the thread favourite vocals (Circles, Gladiator, Take Control..), fresh releases, couple of exclusives and some older bits. Took me a while to choose from more than 100 tracks..still ended up with around 40 lol
https://soundcloud.com/danielnoir/ldn-house-utopia-vol-1

MimoMcha you should follow DJ Simon Titus, he's running a few nights in Amsterdam and plays deep/tech (arguably with a more commercial overlap, you couldn't get away with playing Eastside Records and House Ent material all night at a random Amsterdam venue)...hes booked Oliver Rees, Adam Cotier or Riaz Dhanani in the last few months.

That's great, thanks for the tip! I'll definitely look into it.

Mix looks cool too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87OLa1r_xTs

uk national breakfast radio 4 u

https://soundcloud.com/donaeo/free-download-tazer-wet-dollars-donaeo-remix

donaeo's given his rmx away for free btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njTZh0laN28

shoulda mentioned this one too for the faithless kru

i finally figured out the track i asked about way upthread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTVIxBTlks

is it g-house?

hard to accurately pinpoint the timeline now but from the looks of things i would imagine s.e.f might be somewhat pissed if 'wet dollars' gets chart money

"wet dollars" is g-house, shuffle tech or jacking?

it's pretty great, i prefer the vocal samples in "m-o-e" but i like the beat of "wet dollars" better

it's skipper + handclaps

the track that starts this thread is finally getting a release, it's on itunes for pre-order. FINALLY I'LL HAVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SOUNDCLOUD RIP

sotu seem especially laggardly but generally speaking this stuff has the most thorough release infrastructure uk urban dance has had for a decade. proper labels, tons on beatport/juno etc

can't wait for that 'circles' truce dub, dunno why the gits even took the soundcloud down

yeah i'm still waiting for the carnao beats one to get released. and the syap nicki minaj one. (btw he's done a honey cocaine edit which is super as well!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdBNzHJTtQg

here is another top 10 eoy 2k14 shufflepop tune, superior even to 'circles', that you yes YOU can buy TODAY

(k i lied, it's top 3 rly)

rtc I know you and I have politely butted heads on here a few times in the past, but I've got to give a big thank you for the mini history lesson and track IDs upthread. Had been hearing & loving One (More) & Go Insane in sets for a while without knowing what they were/who they were by. Hadn't heard that Huxley dub before but it's great.

SOTU has turned out to be a much more exciting label than I expected.

oh yeah, thanks all for the mini history lesson!

ha i rly rly rly wouldnt take that vague history lesson as gospel (i was rather looking the other way/missing what was under my nose at the time) but i'm glad to hear it might prove to be better than nothing. still encourage all corrections plz if there are any

SOTU has turned out to be a much more exciting label than I expected.

― There's no stopping the thetans from hopping (Mr Andy M), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:41 Bookmark

ya def. love this new 1:

https://soundcloud.com/djtruce/zander-hardy-feat-anton-romero-let-me-show-you-truce-remix-preview

+ i'm absolutely fucking DYING for this to come out arghhh get on with it

https://soundcloud.com/soturecordings/wait-for-u

i was a bit less convinced by tim's defining it according to ilm threads

i guess there's no real geographic location to this stuff? it's all a bit "slight tweak of other things that have existed for a long time". i think i get it but i couldn't explain it?

x-post YES Wait For U remix is a big one.

ah it's out i can post it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_XZkvFSs0

ANTHEM

i take it back, that was terrible

and... there we go.

i guess there's no real geographic location to this stuff? it's all a bit "slight tweak of other things that have existed for a long time". i think i get it but i couldn't explain it?

Still think the easiest way to get it is just to listen to a DJ mix.

post invective or bite tongue... eeny, meeny...

oh go on.

Anyway I love the rifftastic section of "From Above", so fabulously unclean sounding.

Seems relevant for this thread.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/802ff5595554035da46e2f22d4c3a482/tumblr_ncbo5qFjGz1qz9ddwo1_500.jpg

I share some music taste with my instructor and someone else in the class asked about it and I wasnt really sure what to say. I mentioned deep house and they looked at me in horror. I was surprised at the reaction as I didnt think they would really know what it was, then I remembered the music in this thread is called deep house and would be on his radar

I had momentarily forgotten it was called deep house because I see this many days and subconsciously think it is called upgrunt

he probably thought you were referring to the disclosure, duke dumont, MoS new sound deep house, deep house

this strain of house is for most intents and purposes a very insular, decidedly london thing although it is starting to reach the fringes of that world.

ha so i think ever since i'd been checking for this stuff i'd been hearing this one tune among many thinking yesss this is a vibes... comes up in a mix now so i'm like right ok finally let me shazam that fucker

and ummmm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcaqi1z-2y4

turns out completely unbeknownst to me they've been keeping p much bang on the various modern pulses these last couple of years...