now
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:27 (nine years ago) link
Malkmus by a million miles
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
don't care about his post-Pavement career at all but his catalog of Pavement songs is just more interesting than the album-and-a-half of decent material that Corgan mustered. Alfred otm about the laconic >>>>vomit-on-sleeve thing lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:30 (nine years ago) link
I don't like Pavement as much now as I did 20 years ago, but I still think they're okay. Outside of Gish, I give no fucks about Smashing Pumpkins now and have long found Billy Corgan insufferable.
Malkmus by technicality.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
stepping away from this thread forever because it's already making me mad and you people suck
― bun b bag (crüt), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:32 (nine years ago) link
I shouldn't have used this binary because stuff like "Appels and Oranjes" is as laconic as Pavement, and Malkmus could write solo "I had a cra gin and tonic/It wounded me," which as florid as an Corganerie.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:32 (nine years ago) link
* "I had a crap"
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:33 (nine years ago) link
vomiting >>>>> laconic
― some dude, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:33 (nine years ago) link
malkmus is way dreamier. corgan is anti-dreamy.
― horseshoe, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:34 (nine years ago) link
the messiness and openness of Corgan's writing is much more moving and engaging to me than the coy, cold sarcasm and stoned wordplay of Malkmus. I love Crooked Rain and most of Wowee Zowee, and a handful of songs here and there, but stylistically and philosophically, Corgan takes it, because he makes music to believe in.
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:35 (nine years ago) link
"corgan is anti-dreamy" whaaaa!!!!!!
instinctively I'm all for dying of repression than telling people shit. Plus, Malkmus is sexier playing guitar and looking the part.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:35 (nine years ago) link
Corgan is ugly.
i don't want to cause crut to burst into flames but smashing pumpkins lyrics are so dumb they make me want to die
xp Alfred 100% otm
― horseshoe, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:36 (nine years ago) link
Well this thread took a weird turn almost immediately.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:36 (nine years ago) link
ugly >>>> looking the part
― some dude, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:36 (nine years ago) link
Malkmus and Corgan have won and claimed their respective bases, so it's a draw.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:36 (nine years ago) link
damn alfred even in this pic?
http://plannedbanter.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/billy110.jpg
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link
y'all don't understand. this is the core, the heart music
― bun b bag (crüt), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link
guys
the lyrics to "disarm"
what i choose is my choice...the killer in me is the killer in you
i realize typing out lyrics on a website is unfair butyuck
― horseshoe, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
"obscured" is way dreamy
― bun b bag (crüt), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
nothing made me feel more alienated from my social cohort than the popularity of smashing pumpkins when i was in high school
― horseshoe, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
both are shallow songwriters, although Corgan less willingly so (I doubt Malkmus would blanche at being told he was), but Corgan gets a pass for helping songwriters who understand shallowness-is-depth (e.g. Courtney Love) better than he.
I'm not making sense, so I'll just claim Malkmus' 'flash' had no chance of mainstream acceptance, while Corgan's eventually expired its half life.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:39 (nine years ago) link
Corgan looks like he suffered from halitosis to accompany his neurosis.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:40 (nine years ago) link
― bun b bag (crüt),
no idea what cores and hearts are
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:41 (nine years ago) link
(asking for posts very much in character attention but hey)
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
Malkmus was always so mean to Spiral Stairs. But he never went on Alex Jones spouting paranoid bullshit, so him.
― rip van wanko, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
During the Pavement days, I always wished for more Spiral Stairs songs. Then Pavement broke up and we got Preston School of Industry and I was forced to eat my words. Malkmus knew the truth.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link
This is going to be one of those "the fight is so vicious because the stakes are so small" situations, isn't it.
― Bobby Ono Bland (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link
i think this poll could literally change the world
― bun b bag (crüt), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
Corgan takes it, because he makes music to believe in.
lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
I mean maybe if Billy had written a decent gospel song or something but c'mon now let's be serious
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
i feel like it is just obvious! i would vote for a day-old sandwich i left in my purse overnight over billy corgan! let alone malkmus, whom i love.
― horseshoe, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
narcissism is not really a viable belief system unless your church only has one member: you
xp
"believe in me as i believe in you"
separate the artist from the art
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
― horseshoe,
Corgan:
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/62/d0/f9/62d0f9216a0097ff148d03c1c1b7f79e.jpg
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
Billy Corgan vs. Dave Mustaine
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 October 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
his narcissism is all over his art, is the problem
well one of the problems anyway
― Οὖτις, Monday, 13 October 2014 23:00 (nine years ago) link
Alfred, you sure that spread isn't from another Billy- Crystal- in This Is Spinal Tap?
― Bobby Ono Bland (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:00 (nine years ago) link
i feel like it is just obvious! i would vote for a day-old sandwich i left in my purse overnight over billy corgan!
― horseshoe, Monday, October 13, 2014 6:51 PM (
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:02 (nine years ago) link
his narcissism is a feature not a bug
― bun b bag (crüt), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, October 13, 2014 7:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
anymore than John Lennon or Kurt Cobain? probably less
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
I did like that one one-off of his that da croupier had a screen name after- Zwan.
― Bobby Ono Bland (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link
Loved and still love both. Ranged Life's ~shots fired~ lyrics were traumatic at the time. For a minute or so, but still. Corgan quite literally grew up to be an insufferable dumbass, Malkmus became the awkward, quiet uncle who drinks a bit too much and you feel kind of sorry for at family reunions. Both shot to fame only to completely bomb after that. Corgan went all out berserk religion and wrestling style, Malkmus resigned to some "ok" noodling on his guitar being nothing better than a very poor man's Ted Leo-imitation.
Corgan sunk deeper, but at least he jumped the shark grotesquely and in an enjoyable/insufferable way. Malkmus just seems to try to disappear more and more, trying to be "witty" in the process, releasing mediocre albums every three years.
Voting Corgan. He tanked it but he tanked it good.
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
otm
― bun b bag (crüt), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
"Range Life" *shots fired* wasn't The Statement critics said it was. Flash guy, meet fellow flash guy. Plus, writers will die for a witty stanza.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:08 (nine years ago) link
i.e. false binary
as opposed to the very substantial binaries you've been filling this thread with
― some dude, Monday, 13 October 2014 23:12 (nine years ago) link
What was it then? Teenage me heard Malkmus flaming Corgan. Difficult to hear it otherwise tbh
Xp
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:13 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTjolEUj00g
― Bobby Ono Bland (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 October 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link
DH: Well, yeah.
― pplains, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:07 (nine years ago) link
These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.
― Moka, Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43 PM (Yesterday)
i don't understand this.. Malkmus' music is consistently decent to good and the guy seems pretty healthy.. well-mosturized, at least.
last couple Jicks records are up there w/face the truth, their music is better than anything Thurston, Beck, or Lee Ranaldo have put out for years. And sure, rating Jicks albums is a subjective endeavor. But, shit, Malk's post-pavement output is as consistent as Starbucks. Can't say much for Billy Corgan, but yeah, Siamese Dream is awesome.
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:08 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:02 (nine years ago) link
Oh man, that new Pumpkins single. As a song it's whatever, but the production is so late-model CVS Bangers. It's on some Edwin McCain shit.
― AIDS Wolf in White Van (get bent), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:38 (nine years ago) link
malkmus = boring uncle good at crosswordcorgan = crazy cat lady
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
struck by a surface thought that it seems so incongruous pavement came out of suburban california, how do teenagers get into the fall or the replacements or w/e in stockton in the late 80s? record stores? hippie burnouts like gary young?
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:59 (nine years ago) link
outic probably knows
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 02:03 (nine years ago) link
college
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link
yeah
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
or did SM & Spiral have a hs band (lakespeed?) doing that sort of stuff?
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link
College radio, NME/MelodyMaker, bay area weirdos
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 03:09 (nine years ago) link
The myth is that Pavement came out of central California. Malkmus only lived there sporadically during summer/holiday breaks from 1983 on (boarding school in Carpenteria before getting expelled, then Charlottesville, VA). He had been living in New York (with future Pavement member Bob Nasty and then-bandmate DC Berman) by the time the first single Slay Tracks was released.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 03:27 (nine years ago) link
the next Pumpkins record is called Monuments to an Elegy. feel like I am being personally trolled with this title
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 14:09 (nine years ago) link
http://www.netphoria.org/wp-content/gallery/billy-corgan/bc20.jpg
Easy choice, this.
― Pentenema Karten, Monday, 27 October 2014 02:32 (nine years ago) link
new smashing pumpkins single almost makes me wish i could switch my vote to malkmus
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 30 October 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Voted Corgan. Weirdo freakshow over Portland hipster in a rock band. Also, Zero will never not be amazing to sing along to in a car. As much as I think Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain album is as close to a perfect album as a rock band should hope for, singing "Emptiness is loneliness/ and loneliness is cleanliness/and cleanliness and godliness/ and God is Empty, just like Me" will be a joy that will amuse me well into my 70s.
― brontosaur, Thursday, 30 October 2014 23:57 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 31 October 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Lol lotta votes!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 31 October 2014 00:25 (nine years ago) link
a lot of incorrect votes
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 October 2014 00:48 (nine years ago) link
32 to be exact
― Οὖτις, Friday, 31 October 2014 01:06 (nine years ago) link
The right guy won.
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 31 October 2014 01:09 (nine years ago) link
This is one of the biggest votecounts I've ever seen in an ILM poll. Not sure how I feel about that.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 31 October 2014 01:13 (nine years ago) link
perfect.
― Bee OK, Friday, 31 October 2014 01:36 (nine years ago) link
oh wait, i was thinking of Billy Ocean. my bad.
― example (crüt), Friday, 31 October 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link
malky got exactly 3 times more votes than corgy :(
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 05:36 (nine years ago) link
plus 2
Do we even have 130 active users on this forum?
Malkmus had it way to easy. Corgan would even lose in a favorite member of the SP poll.
― Moka, Friday, 31 October 2014 08:56 (nine years ago) link
Too easy*
― Moka, Friday, 31 October 2014 08:57 (nine years ago) link
"Destroy the mind, destroy the body, but you cannot destroy the heart."
FWIW, I think this is the best lyric BC ever wrote. it'd be cool to see what y'all think is SM's best line.
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
probably my fave Malkmus lyric is from "I owned Corgan in that ILX poll / I'm not from Portland I'm from Charlottes-vee-ole"
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:06 (nine years ago) link
while yes, corgan got less than a quarter of the votes, i think he should be very flattered 38 people here love him more than malkmus
― da croupier, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
woops, 32.
― da croupier, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
every one of those votes was from the heart. all the pro-malkmus votes were ironic.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
i'm on a pisces, we pick up on those things
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 31 October 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
now let's do james iha vs spiral stairs
― da croupier, Friday, 31 October 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
*i'm a pisces
there is not a person that doesn't have an opinion about this, is the point.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
We should have a favorite member of the Smashing Pumpkins poll. I honestly don't think Corgan could even win that.
― Moka, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link
Moka: DO IT!
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:35 (nine years ago) link
Ok. But there are three options for the poll:
Original members which would be - Iha, Corgan, D'Arcy and Chamberlin only. All album members: Billy Corgan, Jeff Schroeder. James Iha, D'arcy Wretzky, Jimmy Chamberlin, Melissa Auf der Maur, Mike Byrne, Nicole Fiorentino.All album members + touring members.
I think I'll go for the second option.
― Moka, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link
don't forget Tommy Lee lol
― example (crüt), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
which one's the teenager that won that contest I vote for them
― Οὖτις, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, agreed on the second option. Jonathan Melvoin rip :-/
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 31 October 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Shit I forgot Tommy Lee.
Who is your favorite member of the Smashing Pumpkins?
― Moka, Friday, 31 October 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link