What the hell are you talking about. Nothing more core/heart scream than I'M TRYIN' I'M TRYIN' I'M TRYIN
― pplains, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link
While my kids pull off that nasal "I-really-mean-it-so-I'm-gonna-repeat-the-line-like-NAAAAAAAAA" thing Corgan does much better.
― pplains, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
I like Pavement a fair amount, but not so much those moments. His comical high screech.
Anyway, my point was more that there's something earnest and emotional in Smashing Pumpkins that I don't get from Pavement and this is where my sympathies these days tend to lie.
(Alternate post: Malkmus couldn't really scream to Pavement either.)
― jmm, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link
There's a song on his solo debut where he does a crazy high scream.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:21 (nine years ago) link
oh man that Lockdown promo is something else
― example (crüt), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
my point was more that there's something earnest and emotional in Smashing Pumpkins that I don't get from Pavement
I'm not trying to dogpile on you all or be obtuse about this, but I feel like this argument is going toward "Greeting cards that say 'I love you, I miss you, I am alone' are more earnest than Raymond Carver stories which never even say those things."
― pplains, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
greeting cards written by free association
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:39 (nine years ago) link
haha pplains otm
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:39 (nine years ago) link
what we talk about when we talk about smashing pumpkins lyrics
I cry whenever I see Brazilian nuts
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/wmsOirK.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:54 (nine years ago) link
"happy birthday, mom"
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
(lol pplains)
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:58 (nine years ago) link
lol
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:17 (nine years ago) link
i wonder if any of y'all would fuck with Adore
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 17 October 2014 05:56 (nine years ago) link
http://bit.ly/1vlpJ6e
― rip van wanko, Friday, 17 October 2014 07:06 (nine years ago) link
corgan = america's only credible answer to shoegaze?
voted malkmus anyway because pavement
― the late great, Friday, 17 October 2014 07:46 (nine years ago) link
Adore is fantastic, and the closest Corgan has ever come to making music that sounds like it was written by a fully-formed human. (I say this as a pretty massive SP fan.)
― Simon H., Friday, 17 October 2014 07:51 (nine years ago) link
"What's amazing about James and D'arcy," he notes with bona fide pride, "is that they almost never question what I want to do."
adore era interview by david fricke: http://www.starla.org/articles/ado.htm
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 17 October 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
Whoa at that Lockdown Wrestling promo. I wish I hadn't seen that, couldn't stop cringing. That settles it, then, my vote goes to Malkmus.
― Moka, Friday, 17 October 2014 22:40 (nine years ago) link
These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.
― Moka, Friday, 17 October 2014 22:43 (nine years ago) link
Btw, I just bumped into this. What the fuck Billy?
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― Moka, Friday, 17 October 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
http://www.collegehumor.com/embed/6872872/billy-corgans-wrestling-ad-for-chicago-furniture-store
Here's the youtube embed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESMCx0KNVkw
― Moka, Friday, 17 October 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
hes just having a bit of a laugh
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 17 October 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
That one is actually not that bad, but the cage one is a bad idea wherever you look at it. It butchers the song, he looks and sounds like a tool and it's a bad ad. I don't see which audience would look at it and go: that's awesome dude!
― Moka, Saturday, 18 October 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link
the core audience, the heart audience
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Saturday, 18 October 2014 18:05 (nine years ago) link
― Moka, Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43 PM (Yesterday)
i don't understand this.. Malkmus' music is consistently decent to good and the guy seems pretty healthy.. well-mosturized, at least.
last couple Jicks records are up there w/face the truth, their music is better than anything Thurston, Beck, or Lee Ranaldo have put out for years. And sure, rating Jicks albums is a subjective endeavor. But, shit, Malk's post-pavement output is as consistent as Starbucks. Can't say much for Billy Corgan, but yeah, Siamese Dream is awesome.
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 18 October 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
Billy Corgan > Beck > Milkymoose
― I can't make my waterface turn into a *fart* (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 18 October 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link
TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 18 October 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
Ray Rogers: You've said that [your last album] Siamese Dream was born out of a lot of personal and band-related crises. What was the impetus for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness?
Billy Corgan:It was basically a big "fuck-off" to anyone who has doubted us as a band. In a positive way, I wanted to really embrace the notions of creativity, to just go as far out as we wanted to go and not get too hung up about the commercial aspects.
RR:What kinds of doubts are you talking about?
BC: Doubts about the band actually coming together to make a record. I wanted to squash all that like a bug.
James Iha: It's a double record-that just doesn't happen if people aren't together on every level.
RR:Billy, you got a lot a lot of criticism last time around for playing some of the guitar and bass parts [on Siamese Dream]. How did you react to that with this record?
BC: We worked out systems by which those things wouldn't happen this time. Nobody understands the scenario: We were under different pressures, different economic constraints. Not everybody moves as quickly as I do. James comes up with great ideas; it just takes him twice as long as it takes me. So I try not to penalize anybody for the speed at which they move.
JI: It doesn't really take me twice as long.
BC:It's a general comment.
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Monday, 20 October 2014 09:33 (nine years ago) link
DH: Well, yeah.
― pplains, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:07 (nine years ago) link
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― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:02 (nine years ago) link
Oh man, that new Pumpkins single. As a song it's whatever, but the production is so late-model CVS Bangers. It's on some Edwin McCain shit.
― AIDS Wolf in White Van (get bent), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:38 (nine years ago) link
malkmus = boring uncle good at crosswordcorgan = crazy cat lady
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
struck by a surface thought that it seems so incongruous pavement came out of suburban california, how do teenagers get into the fall or the replacements or w/e in stockton in the late 80s? record stores? hippie burnouts like gary young?
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 01:59 (nine years ago) link
outic probably knows
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 02:03 (nine years ago) link
college
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link
yeah
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
or did SM & Spiral have a hs band (lakespeed?) doing that sort of stuff?
― sexxx attic (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link
College radio, NME/MelodyMaker, bay area weirdos
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 03:09 (nine years ago) link
The myth is that Pavement came out of central California. Malkmus only lived there sporadically during summer/holiday breaks from 1983 on (boarding school in Carpenteria before getting expelled, then Charlottesville, VA). He had been living in New York (with future Pavement member Bob Nasty and then-bandmate DC Berman) by the time the first single Slay Tracks was released.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 03:27 (nine years ago) link
the next Pumpkins record is called Monuments to an Elegy. feel like I am being personally trolled with this title
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 14:09 (nine years ago) link
http://www.netphoria.org/wp-content/gallery/billy-corgan/bc20.jpg
Easy choice, this.
― Pentenema Karten, Monday, 27 October 2014 02:32 (nine years ago) link
new smashing pumpkins single almost makes me wish i could switch my vote to malkmus
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 30 October 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Voted Corgan. Weirdo freakshow over Portland hipster in a rock band. Also, Zero will never not be amazing to sing along to in a car. As much as I think Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain album is as close to a perfect album as a rock band should hope for, singing "Emptiness is loneliness/ and loneliness is cleanliness/and cleanliness and godliness/ and God is Empty, just like Me" will be a joy that will amuse me well into my 70s.
― brontosaur, Thursday, 30 October 2014 23:57 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 31 October 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Lol lotta votes!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 31 October 2014 00:25 (nine years ago) link
a lot of incorrect votes
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 October 2014 00:48 (nine years ago) link