New Basement Jaxx

I strongly beg to differ, unless you're implicitly drawing a distinction between the sounds themselves and how they use them.

How so? I think both have their own distinct sounds. So much so that they've become rather formulaic. Meaning you can tell most Neptunes songs when you hear them and you can tell most Timbaland songs when you hear them. That means I meant the songs are "run of the mill" Neptunes songs and "run of the mill" Timbaland songs. I think Justified sounds like a bunch of Neptunes and Timbaland songs and not like a bunch of Justin Timberlake songs.

I had no idea which songs were produced by which producers till I looked at the booklet, to be honest. in that sense it seems way more like a Justin record than a 'Tunes or Timba record to me.

Also if you can ID a track as from a producer it doesn't mean that its run of the mill.

The funny thing is that you inadvertantly reinforced why both Dan and I dislike the album so much!

I totally disagree. The producers overpower Justin, not the other way around. The producers make Juistified, not the other way around. I'm certainly not alone in this opinion. In fact, I'd say I'm in the majority. The Neptunes and Timbaland have been given the bulk of the credit of the album by many people.

I was merely pointing out that I'm not exactly throwing around a farfetched or out-there opinion.

Sorry if you are a Justin Timberlake fan and all that. I just don't happen to agree that he somehow overpowers producers like the Neptunes and Timbaland. They molded that album and made it what it is. Justin is rather young and not exactly a fully realized artist. Maybe when he becomes a more mature artist he'll be able to get more of himself in his product instead of coming off a weak Michael Jackson imitator.

Read the damn thread I linked already.

Also asserting something never proves it. SFJ proves (in the article from the thread I linked) HIS point and if I had the energy of a particular point of attack I could back it up fairly easily. Quick example: could Seniorita work without Justin's strained falsetto? Also, who else could or does sing like that? Second example: can justin beatbox or WHAT?

Third example (per SFJ) Justin came up with the Cry Me A River melody which is unlike any other timbo melodies ever.

I totally missed the link you posted.

I read that back when it came out. It gave me quite a laugh. I couldn't decide if the person was a just a huge Justin teeny (I imagined him sitting at his desk, sighing as he looked at his Justin poster from Tiger Beat while writing his indignant article) or had a vendetta against the New Yorker's Alex Ross (that big meany doesn't appreciate Justin like he should!). Sorry, but I wasn't impressed.

Do you want to spend massive amounts of time posting links to articles and reviews that "prove" our opinions of Justin? I can find quite a few (as I'm sure you can). That would get old after awhile. Don't you think? ;o)

That's going to get a big "what in the hell are you talking about?" from me.

I don't exactly get what you mean.

All I can say (since I don't get exactly what you meant.. I must need some sleep) is I don't think his sales exactly show overwhelming support from the "masses". Here in the U.S., he's around 2.9 million sold. Hardly indicative of massive support from the "masses". Especially compared to what *NSYNC has sold here.

Aw man.

Anyway can we get back to the Jaxx???

"But it sounds really good on headphones too."

I've only been listening to it on headphones! Only on 7.7 rather than 6.1. It hurts in a nice way.

Can I incite people to talk about how great "Living Room" is? luvvit to the bone.

Agree that it is more consistent than Rooty.

I like this album alot because it seems to have gone down the Set Yo Body Free route alot more persistently than the previous two.

I would like it if this sold 2.9 million copies btw.

I am also happy that people are saying there's nothing like Romeo, which I never thought was much cop in the first place (ditto for most of Rooty, actually).

I've come to the conclusion that this album was sent to me by God. It's that amazing.

I was all prepared to like it, I wanted to like it, but after two listens I'm still not even close to really feeling a single track (well, maybe number 14, but not in any great way)! what's wrong with me? More later on the (no doubt horrendously wrong and perverse) criticisms I have of it.

I think people often look at the Neptunes' crushing omnipresence and (as Sterling notes) ease-of-identification, and confuse that with crushing self-derivative repetition. There are actually quite a few "run-of-the-mill" Neptunes tracks (stuff like "U Don't Have To Call", "Wait A Minute" and some of their work with Latrelle springs to mind) but I reckon they tended towards self-derivativeness in '01 more than in '02-'03.

I reviewed Clones and felt it was sort of a technicality criticising them for doing not alot wrong really, ie all the tracks were great ideas but great ideas that were difficult to endure because they did feel totally Neptunes the entire time, not sure how long they can keep that up, the simple fact is not every artist will sound great working with the Neptunes, but they don't let that stop them.

Also they're working alot more within the limits of genre than someone like Basement Jaxx.

I thought the Justin tracks were great because he gave them a new direction aswell as vice versa.

Neptunes - rockin' the party and selling shitloads of records.

I'll take both thank you very much.

There's something spoiled about Neptunes bitching. Oh yeah, there's these great producers who produce a fusion of live funk and hip-hop that's simultaneously futuristic and traditional, and not only is it a new sound but it's also really catchy and it dominates the charts, and they manage to keep churning out great new tunes for years. Yeah, that really sucks man, I'm so sick of them!

YEAH.

FUCK.