I coasted through the first two episodes Saturday afternoon when good football was at a lull. Nothing remarkable and nothing offensive about either so far, but I'll be curious to see the Nashville episode. That shit's totally out of Grohl's element, so there should be some smdh lols.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:29 (nine years ago) link
xpost because there's no fucking way albini would produce them at this point?
Oh please, he'll produce any band who walks in there with a certified check and their own instruments.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
don't think they actually wanted a song that sounds like albini recorded it anyway
― da croupier, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, because it wouldn't ... sell.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
Watched the first half of the first ep, which was fine, but when they were tracking at Electrical Audio and someone says something along the lines of "usually it takes us weeks just to record the drums" I literally said "what a bunch of pussies" out loud to no one but our sleeping cat.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:38 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha yeah I lol'd at there whole established process "first we do drums for three weeks, then we do the bass for two weeks, then we do all the guitars" etc. way to make everything sound unbelievably boring
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:39 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean...unless you guys are clutching your pearls at overdubbing and think every band should be all FUCK IT WE'LL DO IT LIVE, that's just the practical no brainer way to do record rock music. unless you want to set up and mic drums and break them down again multiple times and waste a ton of man hours, or do a bunch of other instruments over a clicktrack before there are live drums recorded.
― some dude, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:39 (nine years ago) link
^ otm
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
xxxpost oh my well at least he'll take their money now even if he still probably grumbles as if he's too good for it and saves his aggression for (overrated IMO if not totally w/o merit) shellac records
croupier you're probably right
― blood on the peaves (slothroprhymes), Monday, 27 October 2014 18:42 (nine years ago) link
whoops i fucked up zee x's
― blood on the peaves (slothroprhymes), Monday, October 27, 2014 1:42 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bullshit
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 October 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
which part?
― blood on the peaves (slothroprhymes), Monday, 27 October 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
I know how recording works croup I'm just lol'ing at the length of time required esp given the material involved
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
everyone i've heard who's recorded with him says he's super professional and pleasant, like just doing his job type vibe
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 October 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
Er some dude not croup sorry
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link
xpost I know how records are made. I've made records myself. But there are really only two reasons it should take months to make a record. The first is if you're Peter Gabriel or U2 and GNR or whomever and it takes weeks and months to craft songs out of bit of studio improv and ideas. The other is if you're polishing things up to make it as commercial as possible. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with either approach. It just seems tacky to hear Grohl romanticise the mean, lean, fast, punk approach while he pursues the opposite for the sake of sounding slick and commercial or whatever.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
What he said
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 October 2014 18:58 (nine years ago) link
sh@kedown i don't have the luxury of knowing him personally or knowing bands who know him, only the way his persona is sometimes presented in certain media. i didn't think a rep for saltiness was that far off the mark given some of what's been said about him and his style, but if it is, my B
― blood on the peaves (slothroprhymes), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
so nashville is next? Where else are they going? Detroit? Olympia? LA?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
it's not like a luxury it's just like tons of rinky dink midwest bands no one cares about record there all the time! it's like a studio you can go to if you want to pay for it, p affordable actually for small bands for how nice it is
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
i didn't mean "luxury" in a monetary sense. more like the opportunity to easily know stuff about him IRL beyond the established albini narratives dating back to big black
― blood on the peaves (slothroprhymes), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:06 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, Albini is pretty much a straight shooter. His reputation for prickliness stems almost entirely from his disdain for the real industry bullshit so many people put up with. He records bands, he cooks pasta, he plays poker, he likes cats and has a nice wife. If the dude was as bad as his rep he never would have meshed with Polly Harvey, or bands like Low and Bedhead.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
it's funny because Albini is basically the archetype of the "normal even-tempered professional who loves to type brutally opinionated stuff about music" message board persona that so many of us embody to some degree or another. in the '80s zine culture his invective stood out but now it seems kind of commonplace and harmless.
― some dude, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
eh dude's invective also used to be way more noxious - he brooks no fools but he doesn't play with hate speech to prove he can anymore, etc
i liked when dave grohl semi-acknowledged that while albini doesn't expect royalties (admirable considering it would be money taken from the band, not the label) he WILL jack up the price if you're on the major label dollar (there's that story about how he did surfer rosa for nothing but hit 'em hard for a follow-up thing elektra funded) - "he wants to be paid like a plumber...a KICK-ASS plumber". Albini also referenced figuring out how much the recording session is "worth" - that the rate obviously fluctuates.
― da croupier, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
A couple of years ago:
Steve, your essay The Problem With Music and the Big Black tour diary still get referred to and reposted on forums. Do you feel vindicated or oppressed by their continued presence these days?Steve: The Big Black Tour Diary was a lark, and nobody including me or the guys who first printed it [Forced Exposure magazine] thought much of it at the time. I guess as a snapshot of the kind of loudmouth I was at the time it has value. The “Problem with Music” essay was intended to be a warning to my peers in the music scene during a period in the ’90s when the mainstream music industry was poaching bands off of independent labels with regularity. I wanted to demonstrate that it wasn’t necessarily in a band’s best interest to get involved with a monolithic industry that had no respect for them.The industry has changed pretty dramatically since then, and virtually all the figures are out of date but the principle argument, that the mainstream of the old-school showbusiness record industry is not operated for the benefit of the bands, holds up. Thankfully there isn’t much of that record industry left, so bands are almost forced to work in a more independent way, which means they are more efficient by default.Do you have any deep thoughts on turning 50 earlier this year?Steve: I need bifocals now but my cock still works. Still have my hearing, all my teeth and all my hair. I take the occasional nap. Can’t complain.
The industry has changed pretty dramatically since then, and virtually all the figures are out of date but the principle argument, that the mainstream of the old-school showbusiness record industry is not operated for the benefit of the bands, holds up. Thankfully there isn’t much of that record industry left, so bands are almost forced to work in a more independent way, which means they are more efficient by default.
Do you have any deep thoughts on turning 50 earlier this year?Steve: I need bifocals now but my cock still works. Still have my hearing, all my teeth and all my hair. I take the occasional nap. Can’t complain.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
he doesn't play with hate speech to prove he can anymore
tell that to OFWGKTA
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:20 (nine years ago) link
oh they'll tell themselves before too long, earl sweatshirt's already calling things "offensive"
― da croupier, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
lol whoops i was unaware of the albini vs odd future beef
― da croupier, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
earl has grown up more 2 years than the rest of his collective have been in their entire 20-years-and-change existences.
dude an albini-OF beef would be all of the lols
― blood on the peaves (slothroprhymes), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:30 (nine years ago) link
*more in the past 2, agh
it happened! i just had no idea
http://www.spin.com/articles/hot-beef-odd-future-vs-steve-albini/
― da croupier, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:31 (nine years ago) link
after reading that I've got Neil Young's "old man" stuck in my head
― da croupier, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link
oh WOOOOWWWWWW.
"n----ring everything in sight," hoooooly shit. how did i miss this? i was actually dumb enough to be paying close attention to OF members not named earl in 2011
― blood on the peaves (slothroprhymes), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link
http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/foo_fighters_is_the_dumbest_band_name_ever_says_dave_grohl
― how's life, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 17:25 (nine years ago) link
The DC episode focused on activism much more than I expected. More footage of Mark Andersen and Amy Pickering and others talking than of footage of bands playing
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
and then they ended apartheid
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
I did like the episode in general up until the point I had to listen to a foo fighters song and see terrible lyrics flash on my screen
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
Ha. I thought the music to that song was worse than Grohl's shoehorning in DC history and DC punk phrases into his lyrics.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link
He doesn't need me to defend him or anything, but in my experience Steve (and everyone who works at Electrical) is very pleasant, professional, and easy to work with.
Also, not to blow his rep or anything but he & I got into an argument (not really, but it's funnier if I say it was an argument instead of discussion) about the level of vocals in the mix of a song, with me saying they should be quieter and him saying they should be louder.
Irony!
I enjoyed both episodes of this show so far.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
I admire Albini's work ethic and like a lot of the work he's done. Otherwise, his personal politics as expressed in public often seem pretty loathsome.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
2 episodes in :
buddy guy + steve albini + ian mackaye + trouble funk + chuck brown
what the fuck is to hate !!?
this is a major tv channel giving time to music i never expected too see.
cynics be damned.
(that said, i would have loved a chunk more re waxtrax .. but hey .. )
― mark e, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
dave grohl + buddy guy + dave grohl + steve albini + ian mackaye + dave grohl + trouble funk + dave grohl + chuck brown + dave grohl
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
Waiting to hear reports about Buddy Guy doing the 'jam' portion of his live show, talking about his 'good friend' Dave Group, and the busting out a shredding version of "Everlong".
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:53 (nine years ago) link
hopefully, decades from now, when dave gets his medallion from the kennedy center, someone will remember that it was he who brought Big Black to HBO
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link
tbf this series has made me consider, for the first time, in depth, why I am so completely uninterested in the foo fighters discography
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link
oh sure, someone else might have made a montage of chicago music in an HBO doc that included kanye, chicago (the band), muddy waters...but who other than dave would have said "wait. Where's naked raygun?"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
hardcore would never have gotten its due from pay cable if not for dave
da croupier : yeah i hear you re DG .. but still ..
i have yet to see a major tv channel give any time to the crews that were given airspace.
i found the show informative and given his obvious major label power, DG lite/light.
(note : i am not a foo stan at all .. just that i found the tv show a lot more interesting than i ever expected)
― mark e, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:05 (nine years ago) link
even if you think the foo fighters are garbage, you have to acknowledge that dave is telling people who'll watch a hbo documentary about the recording of the latest foo fighters album about a lot of cool shit they couldn't find out about otherwise...i mean, without reading
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:05 (nine years ago) link
albini saw his face on hbo and it felt good. finally. recognition.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
dave is telling people who'll watch a hbo documentary about the recording of the latest foo fighters album about a lot of cool shit they couldn't find out about otherwise..
and the problem with this is ??
― mark e, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
there's nothing Grohl is doing, here or otherwise, that some way cooler person of his stature could plausibly be doing in his place, so I got no issues. If it ain't him it would just be Bono, or Jack White, or Billie Joe, or I dunno, Chad Kroeger.
― some dude, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link