apparently the ghost/doom project is still in the works. :)
― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 09:15 (fifteen years ago) link
anyone know who empress sharhh is? i wondered if it was apani b but am not sure.
― corps of discovery (schlump), Sunday, 29 March 2009 18:19 (fifteen years ago) link
nm
― corps of discovery (schlump), Sunday, 29 March 2009 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link
album is too hi-fi. dude works best on shitty king geedorah beats.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 29 March 2009 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
i ADORE this album. it should be on everyones best of 2009 list.
― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2)
^^ yes
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 05:13 (fifteen years ago) link
It's good and enjoyable, but not anywhere near what he's capable of.
― Whitney Hoosteen (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 05:23 (fifteen years ago) link
i like him a good bit, but i can't seem to connect with him at all. his songs end up sounding the same to me :/ they sound good, but the same
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 31 March 2009 05:46 (fifteen years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, March 30, 2009 6:16 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i haven't really liked anything he's done since Operation:Doomsday (which was my favourite shit in the world in 99/00) cos it all sounds too hi-fi compared to that. guess this new one isn't gonna change that? :(
― jesus is the man (jabba hands), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 06:00 (fifteen years ago) link
king geedorah and mmm food were mostly self produced and therefore also his best albums.
― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 09:05 (fifteen years ago) link
mmm food peters out towards the end though, but yeah, side 1 is killer. i think king geedorah is my favourite doom, overall.
― A bacon desert? Anything is possible. (stevie), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 10:08 (fifteen years ago) link
i never liked the vv albums cos the beats were boring/too standard underground rap. madvillainy worked cos madlibs beats are kinda undernourished/crumbling too though doom just has an altogether more dilapidated approach to beats which is why his own self produced material works best.
ive a feeling anyone expecting BLT to be like the first taste of a whole new wave of new doom projects is gonna be let down. i dont think doom is really coming back, hes just getting a bit of pocket money.
― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 10:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Unfortunately I think ^^^ is totally OTM. The Doom of 2002, 2003 is gone for good it seems. I'm halfway through my first listen of Born Like This and liking it pretty well so far. My only complaint, and a very minor one at that, is that there seems to be more vocal samples of him talking in silly voices than direct rips from TV shows and comics. I mean, those are still there too, but in less amounts than I really like. His flow on "Gazillion Ear" is crazy good though.
― legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 12:23 (fifteen years ago) link
― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:15 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
do you even know what the words you are typing mean?
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 15:36 (fifteen years ago) link
― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:05 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
um, his debut?
― autogucci cru (deej), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, Vic Vaughan is by far my favorite. Dark and inventive. Normally I have a lot of time for Doom, but (esp. following lip syncing debacle) it's clear he's struggling for scraps. Some of these are 3 years old, the Rae beat has been used...5 times? Vaughan is mixed too high over old beats (suggesting he was barely in the studio) and there's no concept. 4/10.
― paulhw, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 00:02 (fifteen years ago) link
c'mon that lip syncing thing was classic.
― The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 01:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, but this recovered piece of shit is not.
― paulhw, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 02:55 (fifteen years ago) link
it's all right, damn
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 02:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Operation Doomsday > King Geedorah > MMM Food > Madvilliany > Born Like This > Danger Doom > Viktor Vaughn > VV2
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 02:58 (fifteen years ago) link
er, weirdest ranking ever.
VV>OD>MMMF>KG>MV>DD>VV2>BLL
― paulhw, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 03:02 (fifteen years ago) link
I'M GONNA CALL YOU DAVE MATTHEWS BECAUSE YOU'RE TRIPPING BILLIES
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 03:03 (fifteen years ago) link
born like lis
― OTMBOT (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link
this record is great. fuck you all?
― corps of discovery (schlump), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 03:18 (fifteen years ago) link
the Rae beat has been used...5 times?
Eh, "UFO" is almost as much of a stock breakbeat as "Funky Drummer" or "Apache" or "Impeach the President". At that point, it's so much a part of the fabric of rap production that any "recycling" criticisms seem beyond the pale.
― Whitney Hoosteen (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 05:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Rev otm criticizing that for being overused misses the point - u can bet he is plenty familiar w it & was using that break intentionally
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 05:09 (fifteen years ago) link
the rae/ufo track is great. youd think it would sound tired, but it doesnt.
"do you even know what the words you are typing mean?"
you obviously dont.
"um, his debut?"
and his debut yeah. i forgot that one.
"Operation Doomsday > King Geedorah > MMM Food > Madvilliany > Born Like This > Danger Doom > Viktor Vaughn > VV2"
totally otm.
― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 07:25 (fifteen years ago) link
surprised at the hate for the first VV, up there with Geedorah & Madvillainy for me. the second one really is a stinker though, ugh.
― zappi, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 08:19 (fifteen years ago) link
It's always good to hear ESG's UFO. I never get tired of hearing it on hip hop records but the fact that it makes up one of the few outstanding tracks on BLT speaks volumes. The sample should just be there to throw newer shit into sharp relief. But the newer shit is just that . . . shit.
Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.
― Doran, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 10:20 (fifteen years ago) link
from what ive read doom just did this album cos the label was on his back. and cos he needed a bit of money. but even in spite of that, its still a good album. even when hes maybe not trying super hard, dooms still a really great writer.
― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 10:30 (fifteen years ago) link
And where is the source for that bit of journalism
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I liked the first vv too
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Operation Doomsday > Mr. Hood > Madvillainy > Bl_ck B_st_rds > VV1 > Geedorah > Ghostface's verse on The Mask/The Madvillainy Remix EPs/The Madlib remix of Sofa King/all that other shit > DangerDoom > Born Like This >>>> VV2.
Pretty much everything up until Madvillainy is a classic in his career though, while DD/BLT are still good.
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I agree pretty much with that
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link
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― wilter, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link
― Doran, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:20 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't think you get the song.
― chinese electrodribble torture (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link
― wilter, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:55 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
listing favorites is not journalism...
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link
what?
I just wanted to know about the label-on-his-back story
― wilter, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Not to beat the overused beats thing into the ground, but some of the self produced tracks on this are just Doom phoning it in over beats that were on the Special Herbs & Spices series like 4 years ago.
― BRTO (Mexican Sleeping Pill), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link
oh nev mind xp
― autogucci cru (deej), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.― Doran, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:20 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkI don't think you get the song.― chinese electrodribble torture (The Reverend), Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― chinese electrodribble torture (The Reverend), Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
GET A BRAIN DORANS
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link
batty = first rap slashfic?
― zappi, Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:23 (fifteen years ago) link
hahahahaha
― arabian prins (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Nah
Thinking more of what they can't explore, likethe cartoon Donald Duck is giving fellatio on the floorwith Reed Richards, looking at The Thing's naked pictures
--Doc Octagon, 1996
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:30 (fifteen years ago) link
very disturbed that it took you just 4 mins to come up with that
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 April 2009 01:09 (fifteen years ago) link
batty boys is a weird track, i'm still trying to work out what he's getting at there.
i don't know where this album is in the ranking of doom albums (i have doomsday, gheedorah, madvilliany, 2nd victor vaughn, some of the herbs and spices mixes) and i don't see why that's particularly important. just because it's his fifth best album or whatever ... a bit like complaining about led zep or black sabbath's fifth best, isn't it?
― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm aware of third person narratives etc. And I've been listening to Doom's stuff since about 2000, so I'm aware of what he does.
I just don't think there's that much there to 'get'. This isn't a bad album, just too dull, too lazy.
― Doran, Thursday, 2 April 2009 12:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Dull and lazy? Maybe compared to Madvillain, but that was a collaboration....to my ears, Bazillion ear thru Rap Ambush and Microwave Mayo thru That's That represent near-perfect Doom...the samples might be old, but the lyrical flow is as dense as ever, so much so that I still pick out new couplets after listening to it 20ish times. If anything, its a rather inconsistant effort, but still as good as any hip-hop released in the last two years. And re: "Batty Boyz", if listened to in the context that its intended (Doom, supervillain, ranking on the homoeroticism of his competition),it is not offensive at all.
― Space Is The Place, Thursday, 2 April 2009 12:52 (fifteen years ago) link
picking out the one time KRS-ONE says "GAY!!" is ridiculous.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 2 April 2009 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not threatening to wrap myself in a rainbow flag and set myself on fire outside Lex's offices (no, not McPherson's offices), I just think it's a bit lame, that's all. The KRS One comparison doesn't hold that much water.
Space Is The Place: Maybe I need to give it another listen - I didn't glean what you did from it but I should probably listen to it again. After all, the bugger did send me a natty, reversible DOOM mask through the post. It's the least I can do.
― Doran, Thursday, 2 April 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I hear "Batty Boyz" as a sendup of rap homophobia as much as anything.
― Washing Ton (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 April 2009 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link