They Will Not Go Quietly: The Official ILM Track-By-Track DON 'n' GLENN Listening Thread

TS: "The Moon Struck One" vs. "Talking To The Moon"

"Tllking to the Moon" sounds generic to me; it didn't surprise me that J.D. Syphilis co-wrote it.

After you said Newman-esque I imagined (pretty easily) a Randy Newman solo-piano cover of "Dirty Laundry."

how bout a Colin Newman cover of "I Can't Stand Still"

"She Can't Let Go"

http://www.glennfreyonline.com/images/orangetexturesidejmsepia.jpg

http://youtu.be/YYSbILFx7ng

I keep waiting for the "New Kid in Town" chorus to cut in

ok, need to catch up:

"Dirty Laundry": Better than pretty much anything the Eagles ever recorded, despite the echt-Henley lyric full of contempt, "sociopolitical criticism" and casual sexism. Walsh's solos and Porcaro's drums help, plus the mix full of ringing phones, Yello-style distorted vocals and other noises that suggests Don (well, probably Kortchmar) was actually having fun in the studio.

"All Those Lies": Glenn always could do sleaze well, no question---mix in some paranoia and a comfortable groove and you've got the best track on the album. Still goes on a bit too long.

"Talking to the Moon": agree this feels like a Eagles holdover (or a songwriting exercise where Don tried to write a Zevon ballad), & also has a of the End of Innocence to come. Garth Hudson adds ice-skating-routine incidental synths.

"She Can't Let Go": Lee's right: this is Glenn, at a loss, trying to rewrite "New Kid in Town" but forgetting to write a refrain this time.

"She Can't Let Go": This is like Glenn saying, "Hey Guys! Remember Me? I Was In THE EAGLES!" Again. Total re-visitation of the "New Kid In Town" wheelhouse. I like "NKIT", so maybe that's why I find this tolerable. That, and it clocks in at only 3:11! Less Waste!

Chris Isaak could do a great cover of that one.

Yeah, or The Mavericks/Raul Malo.

Still-Relevant to Election Day Donster Jam Coming?

"Johnny Can't Read"

http://www.my80splaylist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Don_Henley_Johnny_Cant_Read.jpg

http://youtu.be/VYEm76840Yo

I need to find Don's classic snot-nosed explanation.

DON: My mother was a teacher and she used to come home all the time and say she couldn’t understand how they passed these kids from one grade to another when they didn’t have the basic reading or learning skills. It was appalling then, and they still do it. Randy Newman always thought it was a brave song because I blamed the kid. In our liberal society, it was always fasihonable to blame the teachers, the schools, the parents, anybody but Johnny himself. I just thought that it was time to blame Johnny for his own failure. Plus, where I grew up football was God. Still is. If you were in the band you were a sissy, looked down upon. You know, it’s good-to-be-stupid anti-intellectualism.

I hope Walsh was looking at that single when he wrote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNAuGs-JM98

Give a Texan Eagle a sped-up organ riff and he turns into Harold Ford, Jr.

YT comments:

doobeedoo58
5 months ago

What a prophet Don Henley turned out to be!

Laberinto Azul
4 months ago

I agree. C. Gustav Jung quote: We are focus in economics and politics but we have not studding enough the psyche, when we have an out break of this type we wont be able to fix it. 

doobeedoo58
4 months ago

stop trying to be political and listen to the song you lezbo

was this after the Todd Rundgren "Bang on the Drum All Day" thing? Similar grating sorta-new-wave backing

Yeah, the whole thing strikes me as an extremely misguided Elvis Costello pastiche.

Thanks for the tutorial and, no, you're not the first to bring this to my attention-—and you're not the first to completely misinterpret the lyric and miss the metaphor. Believe me, I've listened to enough New Wave in my time to know how those songs are made and what the proper nomenclature is. It's a sociopolitical statement.

I'm reading the paperback afterword to Marc Eliot's Eagles book. Apparently Eliot went out of his way to solicit Henley's cooperation, such that Henley eventually agreed to meet for interviews in 1996; he even loosened up enough to get the occasional drink with Eliot after sessions. Then he turned on him when he saw the contract. The afterword ends with this bit in 2002:

"Marc Eliot is not only a bad writer, but an evil person. He is as sick person who has an axe to grind." What can I say? I wear criticism from Don Henley as a badge of honor. As for bad, sick, evil? One of us was arrested in 1980 for being caught with an underaged girl who had overdosed on cocaine and Quaaludes, brought before a judge, and offered probation. The judge strongly recommended that the offender do community service, which he refused. Hint: It wasn't me.

if you leave out the hint there, who knows

I remember hearing Henley on...what was the national classic-rock call-in show? Rockline?...in the 80s and getting super stern when someone mentioned and underaged girl and even underaged me was like, Woah, what'd he do.

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"Johnny Can't Read": Basically this is Don Henley saying, "Yes, I'm familiar with the works of Elvis Costello." Such a clean break from the Eagles (bar "The Greeks Don't Want No Freaks"). I have a friend with a local freeform music radio show. Some years back, he had an episode land on Texas Independence Day. At the time, he'd used to do a 30 minute 80s block at the start of his second hour. We got 30 minutes of Texan New Wave kicked off by a Joe "King" Carrasco track followed by "Johnny Can't Read" and they segued perfectly. Straight up New Wave Frat Rock. Due to the song's relatively low chart placing, this never appears on Henley comps, and rarely gets played on the radio. In To The Limit, Henley reckoned it's failure in many markets (particularly Texas) was that he criticized football in the lyrics.

The Video: Man, Henley has like three seconds of charisma in this thing. He should have worn a costume like in the 45 sleeve. Note the upside down Texas flag on the wall. Nice use of a Nash Metropolitan in the video the students are looking at. Another entry in that sub-genre of 80s videos that integrate the album art into the set ("Vacation", "Mexican Radio", "Twilight Zone" etc...)

WTF? from the related videos list: http://youtu.be/EQ9ZdgCC4OU

apparently this got play on early MTV

This track also looks forward to Henley/Kootch bringing in genuine New Wavers (Martha Davis, Patty Smyth, various GoGos) on sessions.

DON: It was an exciting time to be making music in Los Angeles. The punk scene had given way to a slicker, more professional New Wave movement that I for one could get behind. You'd turn on MTV--then still a very exclusive service--and get exposed to The Motels...Scandal...The GoGos, and think to yourself, "I like the sound of this". A few phonecalls later, and they are guesting on my sessions.

GLENN: I used to conduct my own sessions listening to those records up in Coldwater Canyon. I used to call it Beauty And The Beat...My Meat!

DON: Well, yeah.

HAPPY ELECTION DAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlHqwTQVrU

I like to think of Henley running into Billy Joel in the studio hallway while one is recording "Johnny Can't Read" and the other is doing "Pressure."

The last verse of "Johnny Can't Read" could be an outtake from "We Didn't Start the Fire"

Sitcoms, t.&a.
Johnny's mind is blown away
Cop shows, horror flicks
Johnny's brain is full of Vicks
Rock show, video
Boob tube, rubik's cube
King Cool, Sunday school
Ten Frames, gobble games
WOCKA WOCKA WOCKA

(Full disclosure: I owned the 45 of "Johnny Can't Read." I can't remember if I knew it was that guy from the Eagles or not.)

Last Don & Glenn exchange actually made me "blerugh" out loud. Funny because it's true, etc.

Henley was trying for a Costello song but ended up with a Nick Lowe one instead.

"Don't Give Up"

http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~markowit/interviews/gf/musician/bed.jpg

http://youtu.be/0eUPFQBNDEs

What the hell is this – Tommy Tutone rhythms and riffs vs vehement Boz Scaggs backup singers?

"Don"t Give Up": Wow, this one really doesn't fit in with the rest of the album. His biggest New Wave concession ever? And by "New Wave" I mean the one that included early Loverboy, that definition that's arena rock with synths and quirky rhythms. I put this one in the "Keeper" file for this set, as it's on the more listenable side and at least kind of interesting on a mostly meh album.

the other day some jackass at the park was playing/singing "Desperado" on his acoustic guitar and after shuddering in revulsion/quickly ushering my child in the other direction I thought of you guys/this thread. true story.

No getting it Don today?

I haven't been able to find a clip for "Them and Us"!

In fact, until I found "Them and Us" and "La Eile" here's:

"Lilah"

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nq2pTk40IQU/TzCHoFWBdBI/AAAAAAAAASw/d53tG9aicEU/s1600/506963_356x237.jpg

http://www.wat.tv/audio/don-henley-lilah-26h7b_2hw1b_.html

I like this -- a second-tier country tune we woulda heard on a Ricky Skaggs album.

I found those other two songs on the hard to link from Grooveshark site. "Them and Us" is a bluesy groove song with a Cold War lyric about 'The Bomb'. Johnny from the previous track appears in the lyrics. Good guitar, otherwise forgettable. "La Eile" is one minute flute & harp instrumental (performed by part of The Chieftains?).

"Lilah": Yeah this is nice '80s Country. The flute (carried over from the prior track) is a nice touch on a track that doesn't wear out it's welcome.

and the switch from lower to higher register is effective

Is the 'H' 'O' on this Freyday, or did that come after The Allnighter?

I'm gonna do that and a couple other soundtrack odds 'n' sods this weekend.

In The Wild: I'm having lunch with my sister. Out of nowhere she comments on the song playing on the Country muzak, "This sounds like Glenn Frey!" I shazam the track, and it's Colin Raye channeling his inner-Freydaddy on "My Kind Of Girl".

PS: She knows nothing of these listening threads.

behind again:

"Don't Give Up": This is such a mess, with its water-torture keyboards, aerobics rhythms and louche guitars, it's kinda enjoyable.

"Them & Us": Opening couplet: "one finger on the button/one finger up his nose." Late Cold War sociopolitical song. "Lusty" singing from Don on the chorus.

"La Eile": Irish filler. Paddy Mahoney (the Chieftans) on tin whistle. I worked with some Irish immigrant kids in Boston in the early 1990s: this sort of thing ("Irish" music favored by Irish American sentimentalists) drove up them up the wall. "All that fooking tin whistle shite"

"Lilah": agree this is 2nd tier Ricky Skaggs, which puts it above about 80% of the Eagles catalog, mind.

"The Heat is On"

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/teljgwFfl94/hqdefault.jpg

http://youtu.be/fCLbGh0n9y4

Written by Harold Faltermeyer and Keith Forsey
Produced by Glenn Frey

man do I loathe this song

oh God, didn't realize this was already coming up. Sweaty, stubbled Glenn did the solo, and makes sure that you know it in the video. One of those songs that seems to be one long punishing chorus, repeating over and over again, until you're beaten into submission.

The H is O!