Rock Albums People Who Don't Love Rock Like

lol this thread isn't "name bands that ilxors other than me like." There are no non-rock fans on iLX who like either of those bands to my knowledge and probably very few relatively speaking outside of ILX either.

I hate macho rock music so maybe predictably my favourite male rock bands are The Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart, The Stooges, Royal Trux, US Maple, The Strokes and the occasional song by The Who

xpost sorry, i tried to parse that sentence 3 times and i'm still a bit confused tbh.

What is macho rock? Like G'n'R?

like, on what evidence do you say non-rock fans like vampire weekend, paramore or 1975 other than that they're big ilx bands who are quite popular.

well paramore is huge on pop radio lately! and the 1975 at least have a bunch of famous ppl (esp twifty) tweeting their love so i imagine

if you like the Stooges you basically like the Stones

xp well obv yeah but in general I am allergic to any sort of rock-music-made-by-men extending from aggressively destructive (GnR, Genesis, Mott The Hoople, Styx, Nazareth, Zeppelin, Floyd, Faith No More, RHCP) to the passively complicit (The Beatles, Meat Loaf, Neil Young, most Sonic Youth).

The aforementioned bands get a pass because for whatever reason the sound of men-punching-walls and/or men-living-in-fear appeals to me; other square bands that get a pass round here are Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy and Motorhead. For whatever fucking reason yes I love the Stones. This allergy does carry over to punk, post-punk, new wave, krautrock, HC and post-HC, and whatever Jesus Lizard are.

*does not carry over, that is.

as a non-rock fan i think thin lizzy is the greatest band in the world

just kidding i'm probably a rock fan

i also fucking love genesis but i don't think anything they've done codes precisely as "rock" to me

There are of course ~tonnes~ of non-square rock bands I love: Sparks, Hole, Queen, Heart, Electrelane, Sleater-Kinney, etc. And prog too, Magma are my favourite band, if that's rock then I'm a rock fan.

xp: or "aggressive" for that matter.

uhhhhhhh keep it dark

I teach a lot of kids who barely have any reference points beyond hip-hop, but DSOTM comes up as the great exception.

I am allergic to any sort of rock-music-made-by-men extending from aggressively destructive (GnR, Genesis, Mott The Hoople, Styx, Nazareth, Zeppelin, Floyd, Faith No More, RHCP) to the passively complicit (The Beatles, Meat Loaf, Neil Young, most Sonic Youth).

somewhat baffled by what 'aggressively destructive' and 'passively complicit' mean in this context.

"somewhat":P

(Thought you liked Yes and Rush, fgti?)

Oh, you made a sort-of-exception for prog.

Oh c'mon, you know, music that sounds like oppression and money making and raping women and spitting on poor people and kicking immigrants and running gays over in your car

that's basically an anal cunt tracklist! clink

*clink!*

I mean, you asked *shrug* The first time I heard INXS and Def Leppard at age 9 I was like "omg this is terrible" and now I have the words to explain why
An entire genre of music based on playground bullying

Whenever I see a car full of jocks cranking Mott the Hoople tunes, I run

trying to think of any aggressively masculine music i carry over residually from younger days

am listening to marina and the diamonds rn so it's hard, might need to pause this

xp I'm not talking about the context in which the music appears, I'm talking about actively going out and purchasing rock records and finding that they sound like excess and shittiness

I love The Cramps and Gun Club and hate Nick Cave

Was cool on Modern Lovers until I heard "She'd eat garbage, eat shit, get stoned. I stay alone, eat health food at home" now they're one of my favourites, that's probably a good indication of where my head is at?

Aggression isn't really what it's about, either, I love aggressive masculine music, it's more macho posturing

you put faith no more in that list; i'd argue that there's a lot more to mike patton's music, on the whole - it's slier & more self-deconstructive than that - witness his famously disgusted reaction on hearing wolfmother (a true cock-rock regressive pile of shit) at a festival

and yet i can see exactly why you've listed them as well; they're definitely playing with the idea of forceful, posturing masculinity. it's a fine line.

back in college in knew a lot of people who listened mostly to Norteno or Bachata music, and sometimes Hip Hop. But they all also loved Nirvana.

If you're applying a 'cock rock' formula to a sort of underground/alternative context there's going to be a whole load of arguments one way or another.

I'm not talking about the context in which the music appears, I'm talking about actively going out and purchasing rock records and finding that they sound like excess and shittiness

Only, you ARE talking about the context in which the music appears.

I have the exact same reaction you described to most metal pre-1990 with a few exceptions (mainly Iron Maiden and Anthrax) as well as most country because the vast majority of the people I grew up with who actively listened to it were the type of people who parsed the lines "Are there any queers in the theatre tonight?/Get them up against the wall" as 100% earnest endorsement of fascist oppression and used this as a mantra for how they lived their lives. In this context, INXS was an escape to something a lot more progressive than what everyone else around me was listening to, plus it was a lot more fun to dance to.

excess and shittiness

Immediately heard this to the tune of "Incense and Peppermints. "

Yeah I'm actually far less interested in typing about why I don't like rock music and volunteering myself as somebody who doesn't, but rides hard for those listed exceptions as well as non-square rock like Queen, Heart, Hole, Bowie, etc

I'm inclined to think there may be as much correlation with bullying (or lack thereof) in your exceptions as there is in your offenders.

Same with posturing, macho or otherwise.

Also a little resentful of the "square" vs. "non-square" characterizations, honestly.

My favorite Dance Music is Square

"it's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!' -- george costanza

much more interesting to hear what music sounds like macho posturing to people than to hear lux aeterna rush-in of "that's not objective" from rock's wounded warriors

Listening to the guitars on INXS' "Original Sin" at 15 probably turned me gay.

no one actually said "that's not objective" and that wasn't the point of my comment, which was the assertion that you can't judge anything outside of your perceived context with a counter-example of how my context gave me a completely different perception of how fgti described INXS

I wanted to ask how many exceptions to your rule can you list and have your rule still be valid but given fgti's response to me, it felt unnecessarily antagonistic

An entire genre of music based on playground bullying

trying to think of what kind of music the people who bullied me in school were listening to and the #1 answer my brain can come up with is Lyte Funky Ones

My "entire genre of music based on playground bullying" is probably like, Tone Loc, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Milli Vanilli, Paula Abdul.

Lol xp

I missed the experience of someone bullying me by blasting "Animal" or "Hysteria" or "Armageddon It."

#notallrock

Ha, that's the closest thing I can think of too, how's life. Maybe bhangra/Bollywood in high school.

xpost

@DJP you can be antagonistic! I mean, don't worry abt coming off as antagonistic. INXS are I guess a weird one for me, I'm what, 3-5 years younger than Alfo and DJP? So I didn't really fully "get" INXS as an alternative to anything except what I was listening to at home (classical music and kid-rap).

I deliberately avoided citing just obv cock-rock examples and tried to go broad.

I could make a list of rock bands I like and explain why! Stooges and Sonics that stuff just sounds aggro and new and fun and fantastic. Never liked "Raw Power" tho. Most of the bands I listed kind of come from that realm of rock. I like Big Star because it sounds wimpy. I like Black Sabbath because Ozzy sounds genuinely scared of Satan and that is very powerful and beautiful.

Also @ Tim I've been using "square" for years when talking about music with fellow musicians to avoid running into "not all cswm" territory. It works because it doesn't necessarily include cool cswms (not does it let uncool not-cswms off the hook).

"Bullying" I mentioned in the larger sense, the sound of accruing capital, life of excess, patriarchal oppression, and I don't like stoner rock or hippie rock either

don't know why you're bringing the Cowtown Society of Western Music into this

music that sounds like oppression and money making and raping women and spitting on poor people and kicking immigrants and running gays over in your car

this deserves it's own thre - oh wait GnR already have a thread

I don't know what a cswm is.