the error in that logic is the idea that if more people have an album you drum on than an album you sing on, more people know you as a drummer than as a singer. if you spend 20 years fronting a platinum-gold level band after drumming for a multi-platinum band for 3, just saying the earlier band sold more ignores the fact of how long you've been in bigger light and for what.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link
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He only played on two of the Nirvana albums btw.
― everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link
giant derp @ just-woken-up me re Deal, sorry Jo Wiggs still ♥ u boo, Ladies Who Lunch 4eva
― the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link
It just seems pretty obvious to me that what MC meant was artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band, and I don't think there are tons of examples of that.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link
xxxp yeah but people don't know drummers
also, what instrument is phil collins supposed to be known for? his voice? (or synthesizers??) i feel like, ignoring what singers think of themselves (their special and unique talents etc), for musicians playing an instrument and also being able to sing competently should not really be counted as, like, an exception.
also
Lloyd Ryan recalled: "Phil always had a problem with reading. That was always a big problem for him. That’s a shame because reading drum music isn’t that difficult."
― j., Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
http://www.toughpigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/trailer11.jpg?9d7bd4
― everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:28 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nme.com/images/gallery/LemmyKitKatAdGb040412.jpg
― everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:30 (nine years ago) link
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqr9p3w7J1r1np10o1_500.jpg
― everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:34 (nine years ago) link
this:has any other musician switched instruments mid-career like DG?
is a much, much broader category than this:
artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band
which are two v v different things
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
cuz there are tons of musicians that switch instruments mid-career - the main difference is there are not a ton of musicians who are "like DG" in the sense of being widely known as instrument x player of any band
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
Fatboy Slim
― ILoveMeconium (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:07 (nine years ago) link
John Maclean
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:08 (nine years ago) link
Don Henley
― everything, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
Bruce Willis
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
Christopher Guest
― everything, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:27 (nine years ago) link
hey guys, didn't mean to stir up confusion...
i was asking about
"artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band"
...because as someone pointed out, just playing more than one instrument is not that uncommon.....
probably could have worded it better, but just a quick post spurred by idle curiosity....
also, great shot of lemmy.....
― m0stlyClean, Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:32 (nine years ago) link
this thread made me go back and listen to Big Me, which i regret
― a total laugh package (s.clover), Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:48 (nine years ago) link
grant hart would be relevant point of comparison for grohl, except sounding a bit like husker du never really brought him any great success― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Except Grant was a main songwriter and sang in Husker Du
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 November 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
so... are we all pretending that deej's Chief Keef review never happened or did no one else see it
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:55 (nine years ago) link
for reference: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/20027-chief-keef-gucci-mane-back-from-the-dead-2big-gucci-sosa/
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:56 (nine years ago) link
idk if anyone thought it was bad???
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 21:59 (nine years ago) link
I find Deej's tireless efforts to cast Keef as anything more than a nihilistic moron p baffling but it's not like the piece is badly written/constructed. Deej is a good writer who knows what he's doing
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
I don't see how anyone could read the sentence He plays his own narrative close to the vest, letting his story loom below his elliptical rhymes like ice cubes in a glass and not notice that it is saying the exact opposite of what it's supposed to say, for starters.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
people who like keef are v dedicated to defending him on what are occasionally shaky grounds, but that particular review is overall solidly written minus the overcooked sentence here and there (and who, among people who professionally or as amateurs write about music, hasn't written one of those?)
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
I must be missing something cuz that sentence parses correctly to me - close-to-the-vest and keeping things below the surface are related metaphors.
idk why I'm defending this, I find Keef unlistenable
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
see now im trying to again after ignoring it for like...well over a year
i can see the appeal better now (by far) than i could then - it's one of the closest things rap has to punk sensibilities that isn't, like, fucking ill bill or odd future (barf)...but in a universe where gunplay and waka flocka fill that void & are also capable of nuanced/emotional stuff amid the chaos, why bother?
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
*trying it again
Ice cubes float and most glasses are transparent. He's trying to suggest hidden depths by using imagery that is all surface and visibility.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
ah it's a fun review, i love deej's writing about keef just because it's so adorbs to me, or i wish i could hear the keef that deej hears
this also made me lol
Like King Louie, he will lock into a particular pattern for several lines, using extreme slant rhymes ("I just hit a stain, finagle/ I just hit a stain, finito"), as if trying to demolish the distance between words themselves, or to camouflage his thoughts. He’s made rhyming a word with itself into an art form of its own—he likes to complete the circuit early, or to let words stay static while the meaning shifts ("Nigga don’t slip, you lose it, then you lose it").
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
Ice cubes float and most glasses are transparent.
ok well he should have gone for the iceberg metaphor but obviously the part of the image he was trying to emphasize was the beneath the surface part
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:26 (nine years ago) link
He’s made rhyming a word with itself into an art form of its own
yeah this was lolz
let words stay static while the meaning shifts ("Nigga don’t slip, you lose it, then you lose it").
i really like this about keef. it reminds me of mallarmé in a way -- the same word (or sound) deployed in different contexts can mean ten different things. of course, keef's rhymes are pretty limpid compared to the density of the poetry i'm thinking of, but still.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:30 (nine years ago) link
basically i dont just know why one doesnt just transfer this enthusiasm to like...3 other, better, less blatantly sociopathic rappers from the same scene
because yeah...you dont have to have complex rhymes to make powerful statements but his are almost always neither, just rage & there are rappers who do rage better from his scene and various others
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:33 (nine years ago) link
the same word (or sound) deployed in different contexts can mean ten different things.....like a basketball, player
i want to go on the record though i think deej is a great hip hop writer for real & i liked reading that review
― i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:34 (nine years ago) link
agreed
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:41 (nine years ago) link
thought of a sidebar stemming off this but will post in goon thread
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
using extreme slant rhymes ("I just hit a stain, finagle/ I just hit a stain, finito")
technically "two three-syllable words that begin with f" rather than a "slant rhyme," but hey, who gives a shit about terminology
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link
I'm gonna assume he pronounces it fin-ay-go
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 23:18 (nine years ago) link
Deej's opinions and theories about Keef are generally batshit insane, but certainly well-argued and well-written.
Ideally they would be published in a place like the Chuck Eddy-era Village Voice instead of a place so rooted in "editorial voice" but w/e
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
im not going to defend my review on ilx bc i think thats prob bad form / bad precedent but i dont think keef is either nihlistic or a sociopath, at least any more so than boosie or spice 1 or any other gangster rapper throughout history, w/ age & experience artists evolve & early boosie is all "the one who rap bout killin, shootin, marijuana distribution"—def feel like those ideas have been foisted on keef due to the discussion around chicago violence that blew up around him, people blame him in a way they wouldnt do to idk c-bo or someone...its very strange
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 29 November 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
actually, i will defend the ice cube thing bc wtf that totally makes sense, when you drop ice cubes in a glass a tiny piece of them pokes above the water and the rest *looms* below
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 29 November 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
http://www.ginnytonkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Do-not-think-it-means.jpeg
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Sunday, 30 November 2014 03:18 (nine years ago) link
Not music, but if there's ever been anything worse, it would drive the insane maaad:
http://www.examiner.com/article/robert-de-niro-book-darkest-secrets-shawn-levy-book-alleges-drugs-bad-temper
― dow, Sunday, 30 November 2014 03:31 (nine years ago) link
xp ffs its exaggerated for scale obv
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 30 November 2014 12:02 (nine years ago) link
it was an obv reference to iceberg theory but i wanted to shift to a less cliche'd image
― deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 30 November 2014 12:07 (nine years ago) link
xxpost
"While some may only recognize him in more recent movies like “American Hustler,” [De Niro]’s talents go way back to earlier films in the 1970s and then into the 1980s."
― MaudAddam (cryptosicko), Monday, 1 December 2014 03:36 (nine years ago) link
That De Niro piece reads like it was written by a computer.
― rising stones cross (anagram), Monday, 1 December 2014 08:40 (nine years ago) link
people who like keef are v dedicated to defending him on what are occasionally shaky grounds, but that particular review is overall solidly written minus the overcooked sentence here and there (and who, among people who professionally or as amateurs write about music, hasn't written one of those?)― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:10 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:10 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I often read back my own reviews and realise I'm as guilty of this as anything. Do any more experienced writers have a particular way of avoiding these kinds of sentences, or is it just down to practice and knowing when to reel oneself in?
― Piss-Up Artist (dog latin), Monday, 1 December 2014 10:10 (nine years ago) link
low-hanging fruit I know but
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmessitte/2014/12/03/on-hozier-why-is-take-me-to-church-so-popular/
― katherine, Friday, 5 December 2014 01:32 (nine years ago) link